Something to consider:
The amount of fluoride in a pea sized blob of toothpaste, is the same as that in a glass of water.You should drink at least 8 glasses of water daily.
If you ingest just one pea-sized blob of fluoridated toothpaste, you are told on the tube to seek immediate medical help.What is the equivalent of 8 blobs doing to you every day?
Also, Tea can have up to 11ppm in it as well.

This being said, I don't drink much tea but I know of many people that make their tea with water directly from the tap and they drink it daily.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki?title=Talk:Water_fluoridation

When I first heard about the Fluoride debate I was a tad disturbed about what I heard. Much of the notion sounds a little dubious anyway. What I drew from the whole thing is topical fluoride applied to the teeth is better than swallowing any, or drinking it in the water.

Right Sheppard, we buy filtered water by the 5 gallon jug because we don't care to drink fluoride or chlorine. It actually causes health issues for my family. But this isn't that. This is beyond...

>> ^direpickle:

jwray: Aquafina tastes much more strongly of chlorine than my tap water. And the only states that don't add fluoride to their drinking water have a much higher rate of tooth decay.

Rubbish, plenty of countries that don't fluoridate water or salt have lower rates of tooth decay than us. There isn't even any correlation between water fluoridation and lower tooth decay among populations that regularly use fluoridated toothpaste. EPA admits the entire benefit is posteruptive and topical. There is no reason to ingest a treatment that acts topically.

>> ^direpickle:

And if you're super-terrified of chemicals, what do you think you're ingesting when you're drinking water out of plastic bottles? Haven't you noticed that the water tastes like the plastic?

I actually don't use any plastic bottles. I use glass or stainless steel for a variety of reasons:
1. More durable
2. Easier to clean (primarily due to being permanently very smooth, unlike plastic which is easily scratched)
3. Cheaper in the long run
4. Possible avoidance of BPA and other toxic chemicals that can leech out of plastic.

>> ^direpickle:

Anyway, some bottled water tastes good, but I don't buy it unless there's no free water to be had. But Aquafina and Dasani are just disgusting.

They don't really have any taste at all. I don't know what you're talking about.

jwray: Aquafina tastes much more strongly of chlorine than my tap water. And the only states that don't add fluoride to their drinking water have a much higher rate of tooth decay.

And if you're super-terrified of chemicals, what do you think you're ingesting when you're drinking water out of plastic bottles? Haven't you noticed that the water tastes like the plastic?

Anyway, some bottled water tastes good, but I don't buy it unless there's no free water to be had. But Aquafina and Dasani are just disgusting.

And then they add salt to it.

At least it hasn't been spiked with foul tasting compounds of Cl and F that are intended to kill bacteria and to get you to ingest things that are really only useful topically to slow the erosion of teeth and have no additional benefit (but likely unwanted side effects) when taken systemically. Just search Google scholar for fluoride neurotoxicity in rats or check the CDC's recommendations on upper limits for fluoride levels in drinking water and consider how impossible it is to control the dose when people are drinking different amounts of water.

Fluoride is rapidly eliminated from the bloodstream via the kidneys and uptake by calcified tissues. However, people who lack proper kidney function are vulnerable to being poisoned by fluoridated water. The mechanism of action as a poison is essentially interfering with all kinds of enzymes. It has very broad dose-dependent systemic effects. The upper limit for safety is only 2x the "optimal level" used for preventing cavities, which is an absurdly small margin of error given the uncontrolled quantities of tap water people consume.

It's also immoral to force a specific medical treatment on everyone without their consent UNLESS abstention from the treatment endangers people other than themselves (i.e., vaccines).

*beg for the wonderful fantastic fluoride wooohooo!!!!!

I did find an interesting study conducted by the CDC regarding fluoride:

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp11-c6.pdf

In Conclusion they state:

"Recent data are available on the concentration of fluoride in different foods in Canada and the
daily dietary intakes for different Canadian age groups (Dabeka and McKenzie 1995). However, recent
analogous information is not available for the United States. Up-to-date data on concentrations of
fluoride in food items and the dietary intake of fluorides in the United States is important in view of the
changes in fluoride emissions and the effect that the use of fluoridated water or water with a high natural
fluoride content may have on the fluoride levels in processed food and beverages (Pang et al. 1992).

The total human intake is of interest, since multiple sources, all of which are generally considered safe by
themselves, could, under some circumstances, provide total intake that is considered to be above the
"safe" level.

No exposure registries for fluorides were located. This compound is not
currently one of the compounds for which a subregistry has been established in the National Exposure
Registry. The compound will be considered in the future when chemical selection is made for
subregistries to be established. The information that is amassed in the National Exposure Registry
facilitates the epidemiological research needed to assess adverse health outcomes that may be related to
the exposure to this compound."

I know this is dipping into conspiracy theory here, but the thing that stuck out in my mind after reading that article was "...Risks of ingesting fluoride include Chronic Kidney Disease, Thyroid Disease, reduced brain development in children, reduced IQs, dental fluorosis, skeletal fluorosis, and increases in hip and other bone fractures. ..."

Paired with the fact that 'They' want us to drink more and more water per day under the guise of 'General Health and Wellbeing' just adds more fuel.

>> ^Sagemind:

"ANOTHER LOOK AT FLUORIDE IN THE WATER SUPPLY"
http://www.ecomall.com/greenshopping/fluoride.htm


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The water-table-effect is scary as well, guaranteeing that humankind as a whole is affected, rather than just civilized/urban areas. Why stupify 50% of the population when you can get 100%?

</tinfoil_hat>

Seriously though, potentially scary stuff... Pharmaceuticals in the water table are cause for a lot of *fear as well. I can't wait until literally everyone with a penis is walking around with a permanent hardon due to the massive amounts of Cialis, Viagra, and Levitra being dumped into the world-water-supply. Funny shit.

And no one will be depressed, but they may all be potentially suicidal.

I wonder about birth control as well. Surely 100% of the medication isn't being metabolized, so it would gather in waste water also. Population decrease, lower IQ, and perma-stiffy's the world 'round.

Here's a study referenced off Wikipedia.
I know chlorine evaporates from water pretty quickly. Fluorine and chlorine are both halogens gases and both exist as salts in water so since studies say it doesn't build up I'm guessing something takes fluorine out of the equation like it does for chlorine. Pharmaceuticals on the other hand are complex compounds, not just salts so I think that's why they stick around. I took 2 chemistry classes in college so take that with a grain of salt ;-)

>> ^ButterflyKisses:
This article brings up a good point and raises a few more questions:
How is mass water fluoridation affecting the water table?
Not to mention that studies have shown that we now take in various levels of pharmaceuticals due to waste water recycling. Doesn't this also compound and ever more increase the amount of fluoride in the water as the water is continually recycled and fluoride is continually added? This same water is also used in products like soda pop, fruit juices, etc.
I wonder if any studies of this aspect have been done.
This is a very interesting topic in my opinion because it directly affects us all.

I did find an interesting study conducted by the CDC regarding fluoride:

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp11-c6.pdf

In Conclusion they state:

"Recent data are available on the concentration of fluoride in different foods in Canada and the
daily dietary intakes for different Canadian age groups (Dabeka and McKenzie 1995). However, recent
analogous information is not available for the United States. Up-to-date data on concentrations of
fluoride in food items and the dietary intake of fluorides in the United States is important in view of the
changes in fluoride emissions and the effect that the use of fluoridated water or water with a high natural
fluoride content may have on the fluoride levels in processed food and beverages (Pang et al. 1992).

The total human intake is of interest, since multiple sources, all of which are generally considered safe by
themselves, could, under some circumstances, provide total intake that is considered to be above the
"safe" level.

No exposure registries for fluorides were located. This compound is not
currently one of the compounds for which a subregistry has been established in the National Exposure
Registry. The compound will be considered in the future when chemical selection is made for
subregistries to be established. The information that is amassed in the National Exposure Registry
facilitates the epidemiological research needed to assess adverse health outcomes that may be related to
the exposure to this compound."

>> ^marinara:
BFkisses, why you asking about fluoride? r u a mother or something?

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I became interested in this topic after seeing the news report by Team 5 about the issues they're having with Chinese purchased fluoride. I was kind of surprized to find out that they haven't yet figured out what the insoluable substance is yet. It's as if safeguards are not in place to ensure the quality of this "additive" to our water supply.

I like to drink water, as I'm sure everyone does. Does one really need a reason be concerned about the quality of the most essential element that our body needs?

Anyway, they say it's safe and good for us but I wonder if that's entirely true. I've seen lots of cases for the banning of fluoride and the extremely negative response by the "Science" channel administrator here on the sift about any claims that it's unsafe so I thought I'd find some information that supports Fluoride. I was hoping to find a video that would prove the case that it's a truly a great idea to add this chemical into our water, however the case "for" fluoride seems a bit weak and there appears to be contradictory evidence by those whom oppose fluoride, yet this research is generally disregarded by individuals that are for fluoridation.

I can understand the case for wanting to reduce cavities for the population yet I'm not so sure the safeguards are in place to prevent poor quality fluoride from being used (obviously since the fluoride from china hasn't been tested and we've been told it's safe). I also have an issue with the fact that this fluoride is essentially a toxic waste byproduct.

What exactly constitutes "pharmaceutical-grade" and "industrial-grade" fluoride? Is it the same thing? Does industrial-grade contain other toxic elements comparatively? These seem like important questions, seeing as we all NEED to drink water to live and they add this toxin to our water.

Am I being irrational in my thinking? Do we have the right to question these things? Are there special interests involved that promote the use of fluoride?

BFkisses, why you asking about fluoride? r u a mother or something?

only reason we have fluoride in the water is because it was a common waste product of the war industry in ww2 and after.

most European countries don't have fluoride, but how come nobody accuses them of being conspiracy theorists?

actually not sure about how many countries have fluoride. so

>> ^Sagemind:

"ANOTHER LOOK AT FLUORIDE IN THE WATER SUPPLY"
http://www.ecomall.com/greenshopping/fluoride.htm


This article brings up a good point and raises a few more questions:

How is mass water fluoridation affecting the water table?

Not to mention that studies have shown that we now take in various levels of pharmaceuticals due to waste water recycling. Doesn't this also compound and ever more increase the amount of fluoride in the water as the water is continually recycled and fluoride is continually added? This same water is also used in products like soda pop, fruit juices, etc.

I wonder if any studies of this aspect have been done.

This is a very interesting topic in my opinion because it directly affects us all.