This was a part that was often left out in discussions by prolegalization groups when pushing for changes in laws. While the potential harms are significantly less, I agree with the video of not dismissing that there are harms.

One part that I often have an issue with is the studies relating driving impairment with cannabis use. Well, some are well designed, controlled studies that ensure that cannabis is the only drug involved. Some studies are only looking back at police enforcement numbers for accidents. Often those reports will not break down the difference between cannabis only or the person having multiple drugs in their system at the time. In addition, the fact that the tests for cannabis will come out positive for weeks after use further complicates the issue. I'm not making an argument for driving impaired while on cannabis, just noting some things that many of the conclusions on studies often leave out.

Untreated mental conditions are fun to deal with. Bipolar is one of those things where if the person can hold it together in front of cops and judges and keep from getting violent...they can go on for years flipping back and forth between super nice dude, normal, and super insane pissed off guy until something gives. Either end up killing themselves, break in front of someone who can force treatment on them, or a myriad of other things. Age seems to worsen the condition. Just another reason we need universal health care, because then there's no excuse to not be treated once diagnosed especially if you are a danger to yourself and others through substance abuse as a coping mechanism (drunk driving, impaired driving via illegal drugs).

I have a brother with a bipolar disorder and I suspect it comes from my moms side of the family because as she's gotten older she shows more symptoms and a lot of the males on her side of the family have killed themselves. So I suspect one day my brother will end up in the same boat because he won't take any medication prescribed even if it's something he requests specifically....saying that the government is trying to get him to take chemicals..blah blah. All that paranoia shit that comes with bipolar. No one can make him take medications unless he becomes loud, obnoxious and has the appearance of being on the verge of violence by ranting and stalking around....which he learned from experience when the cops took him away.

So........having all that experience with my brother's condition and how he reacts. This recording sounds familiar. Irrational complaints that skip all over the place with a lot of repetition of the same exact argument over and over. If she had tried to reason with him much, I suspect he'd just repeat it over and over until she stopped...or he'd have hung up. It's like an irrational "fight or flight" response to stupid things or "out of the blue" things that didn't seem to bother the person the day or week before.

I suspect an overdose is in Mel Gibson's future, only way he can see to "deal" with the demons...because he's not sick like everyone keeps telling him he is...they're just out to get him.

>> ^Creature
"Stogner died from severe coronary artery disease, an enlarged heart, and a fracture of the hyoid bone in his neck"
As I said before, if you're so angry as to wish death as a punishment for disobedience and a victemless crime go get counseling. Its unhealthy, and quite frankly disturbing.


That's a little overboard. I haven't heard anyone wishing death on anyone. I'm not a doctor, but I imagine that small fractures are a frequent consequence of resisting arrest. This guy just happens to be the unlucky dude whose condition and the exact nature of his injuries lead to his death.

Frankly, whether we have a war on drugs or not, I hope that cops continue to pull over people who are driving impaired. If there's cause, I hope they haul these people off to the station to sleep it off.

Obviously it sucks that this guy died for no good reason. If this is a cause for outrage though, I'd be interested to hear what the outraged people would prefer the police do differently. Not pull over impaired drivers? Not arrest people who seem to be driving under the influence? Let a suspect swallow god knows what and choke/OD and die in police custody? Let people who resist arrest go because there's a danger that once in awhile the force needed to subdue them could cause serious injury? Or is there something else?

I'm legitimately curious.