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Bill Maher Gets Schooled On Vaccines By Bill Frist

peggedbea (Member Profile)

Farhad2000 (Member Profile)

Doc_M says...

I respect you deeply, Farhad. I hope one day we will find common ground, but in the mean time, our debates are... informative. If anything, I'm not afraid to change my mind and you can pat yourself on the back knowing you are the reason that I have on at least a few subjects.

In reply to this comment by Farhad2000:
Doc_M

I constantly disagree with you on most social and geopolitical issues but am glad you are around to have these conversations with.

Cheers.

gwiz665 (Member Profile)

alien_concept says...

Oh

You are emotional!

Sounds like great fun in Texas, how random! What a great way to end off all your hard work these last few weeks eh

In reply to this comment by gwiz665:
I fail to see the humour, but go on.. laugh it up, fuzzball.

In reply to this comment by alien_concept:
>> ^rasch187:
Get over yourself and stop acting like an emotional cunt. You know what I said was directed at zifnab and not you, but if anything I say hurts your delicate feelings you can send me a pm about it next time.
In reply to this comment by gwiz665:
^Don't you have a parade to rain on.


If I say I think that's funny, does it make me a bad person?

rasch187 (Member Profile)

gwiz665 says...

Only GOD can forgive you now!
Heh, alright, no biggie.

In reply to this comment by rasch187:
You're right. That reaction was totally over the top, completely unneccessary and pretty damn rude. I guess the Mr. Hyde in me took control for a moment. I'm sorry and I hope you won't hold it against me.

In reply to this comment by gwiz665:
I don't like to be attacked or harassed even indirectly. I don't do back door dealings either; going "please sir be nice to me" in a PM is just a whimpy response.

Don't be a dick, and I won't respond in kind. You were a dick in this pm, so go suck an egg.

In reply to this comment by rasch187:
Get over yourself and stop acting like an emotional cunt. You know what I said was directed at zifnab and not you, but if anything I say hurts your delicate feelings you can send me a pm about it next time.

In reply to this comment by gwiz665:
^Don't you have a parade to rain on.

alien_concept (Member Profile)

gwiz665 says...

I fail to see the humour, but go on.. laugh it up, fuzzball.

In reply to this comment by alien_concept:
>> ^rasch187:
Get over yourself and stop acting like an emotional cunt. You know what I said was directed at zifnab and not you, but if anything I say hurts your delicate feelings you can send me a pm about it next time.
In reply to this comment by gwiz665:
^Don't you have a parade to rain on.


If I say I think that's funny, does it make me a bad person?

gwiz665 (Member Profile)

Paging Doc_M - I think you have GOLD FEVER (Happy Talk Post)

gwiz665 (Member Profile)

rasch187 says...

You're right. That reaction was totally over the top, completely unneccessary and pretty damn rude. I guess the Mr. Hyde in me took control for a moment. I'm sorry and I hope you won't hold it against me.

In reply to this comment by gwiz665:
I don't like to be attacked or harassed even indirectly. I don't do back door dealings either; going "please sir be nice to me" in a PM is just a whimpy response.

Don't be a dick, and I won't respond in kind. You were a dick in this pm, so go suck an egg.

In reply to this comment by rasch187:
Get over yourself and stop acting like an emotional cunt. You know what I said was directed at zifnab and not you, but if anything I say hurts your delicate feelings you can send me a pm about it next time.

In reply to this comment by gwiz665:
^Don't you have a parade to rain on.

gwiz665 (Member Profile)

gwiz665 (Member Profile)

Doc_M (Member Profile)

Real Science: Economics by the Numbers (Science Talk Post)

NetRunner says...

>> ^Doc_M:
It's a shame to see the median income has dropped so low bellow the mean.
I'm guessing it will be even more shocking in a year when we see the 2009 national debt and inflation rate. The rate at which we have been printing money this year makes Al Gore's "hockey stick" look like a tooth pick. Not to mention the other trillions that the new administration and the Dem congress want to dish out.


Not to pick on you, DocM, but your comment (and the fact that it's gotten several upvotes), is a prime example of how I think most conservatives misunderstand the relationship of various aspects of our economy.

First, you make a comment about median incomes dropping so far below the mean. As a liberal/progressive, I think after unemployment, that's one of the largest issues with our economy today.

Second, you say you think that issue will be somehow directly affected by the national debt and inflation rate (with the implication that those two things also have direct correlation to each other).

Third, you blame Democrats, and not the Fed, for the increase in the money supply, and presumably the inflation rate and national debt too.

The charts already on display should dispel all of these assertions, but somehow, they haven't.

If you look at real national debt, you will see that the curve had a brief slope downward during the Clinton years. CPI during that time continued to rise. National Debt and inflation do not have a causal relationship, nor do Democrats and National Debt, if you look at joedirt's chart.

Now, Fed interest rates and inflation rates have a high correlation, though that's not a perfect fit, either. I don't think we have a chart that shows us inflation vs. income disparity, but I'd love to see that, along with top marginal tax rates, and see which has a higher degree of correlation, because I think income disparity has more to do with tax rates than inflation.

Lastly, there is actually a reason why Democrats (and the Fed) are dishing out trillions. Notice how the CPI has a hook downward? That's deflation, and the last time we had that was during the Great Depression. So Ben Bernanke, being a student of Milton Friedman, is pumping out massive amounts of cash to try to prevent a deflationary cycle from taking root. Unfortunately, Fed rates have been at zero for a while now, and it can't get any lower, which brings us to fiscal stimulus, like what Obama got passed.

Now, imstellar subscribes to a theory of economics that essentially says deflation is a good and natural thing. That's fine. I disagree, but at least there are plenty of people smarter than both he and I who take up opposing sides of that debate.

Most conservatives though, have never heard of Austrian Economics, and certainly can't explain why they disagree with most mainstream economists about what to do right now. They're operating on a much simpler philosophy: say anything to encourage people to think everything bad happens because of (Democratic) government.

Lots of people repeat ludicrously nonsensical economic "policy" on that foundation alone, and do things like relentlessly point at the green line in Chart #3 and say "see, our debt is insane!" When the real issue is the size of the gap between the Red and Green lines on that chart, not the height of the Green line itself. Then they mix in inflation, not understanding that inflation actually helps keep our debt under control to some degree, since the dollars we owe are fixed, but the value of the dollars we use to pay off the debt are worth less as time goes on.

They also seem to propose, with just as much vigor, that what government needs to do is slash taxes, without remembering their momentary concern over debt. They also seem to think cutting government spending in a recession will help speed the recovery, not deepen the decline (ditto for letting banks and auto manufacturers collapse spectacularly). They also fail to see that a contracting economy can create a government deficit all on its own, since tax revenues fall as unemployment rises and mean income falls, and dismiss the proposition that government spending to get us out of a recession is likely better for the debt in the long run.

So in the end, we end up fighting about the same tired bromides about the size of government, rather than noticing that income disparity has been growing steadily despite an overwhelmingly conservative swing in our government's policy for the last 30+ years.

But people go on merrily slitting their own economic throats by demonizing Democrats as "big spending liberals" or more recently "socialists", not realizing that we're the ones that want to cut your taxes, and make government serve the people and not just the top 1% of income earners, and make fixing income disparity a top issue.

I'm not really surprised by that, but I'm constantly fascinated at how many knots people have to twist themselves in to defend the Republican party line.

QM & The Rush Right Have One Less Non-Issue (Politics Talk Post)

NetRunner says...

DocM, what constitutes a liberal slant, and how do we identify it in an objective fashion?

For that matter, when the NYT had Bill Kristol writing a column, did that raise the New York Times' credibility to you?

Doc_M (Member Profile)

MrFisk says...

http://geek.videosift.com/talk/Dupe-Videos-Playlist-dupeof-requested

In reply to this comment by Doc_M:
Does that WORK NOW?! Do dupes contribute to the original post's votes?! How the hell did I not hear of this; that is freakin awesome.

In reply to this comment by MrFisk:
I wanted the original to have my votes. I discarded it.

In reply to this comment by Doc_M:
http://www.videosift.com/video/Stephen-King-It

This video is a dupe (for the most part) and was VERY briefly in Sift-talk to discuss it. Kindly kill it for us unless you want to defend it as otherwise. Thanks.



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