You seem to have a consequentialist morality. I sympathise with it greatly but find it an incoherent morality due to its double standards and subjectivity.

I guess my greivance is calling something moral that would otherwise not be moral. It seems to dilute the very notion. Call it just or necessary but do not call it moral. Calling it moral leads to all sorts of other "justifications" such as "pre-emptive war" (which I guess this was) and terrorism etc etc. (No I am not calling you a terrorist I am just mentioning how such claims to morality can be contorted to suit ones needs).



In reply to this comment by bcglorf:
>> ^Kofi:

Political Realism demands sufficient national interest to act. That can come about in material gain such as resources and markets or regional political favour. Even the most liberal of governments does not act outside self-interest.
When questioned about the Libyan conflict and why the West was not pursuing other targets of similar standing, such as those in Sudan, Niger and Cote d'Ivoire Obama stated this same principle. The flip side of the coin is that some is better than none.
However, we have all been indoctrinated into thinking that killing to prevent killing is somehow moral. Morality is not about what is just, it is about what is good. If it is not moral to kill someone out of wartime then it is incoherent to say that it becomes moral in wartime. It may be just but it is not moral. One must recognise the difference between good and bad and right and wrong. Conflating good with right and bad with wrong leads to all sorts of problems.
Lastly, these rebels who executed Gaddafi are assumed to be forming a new government. What does it bode for the Libyan people that the new government values vengeance over law and order. Say what you will about Gadaffi, but if this is anything to go by the new government seems to be replicating the same precedent set 42 years ago.


Only if your morality is absolute, inflexible and immune to logic.

My moral compass declares the killing of another human being one of the worst things that can happen. That is DIFFERENT than someone that believes that killing another human being is the worst thing a person can do.

The difference is vitally important. By one compass, which my pacifist forefathers held to, killing one human to stop him from operating a Nazi gas chamber killing thousands every day is morally wrong and much worse than refusing to kill him and letting the people die. By my moral compass, failing to stop that man is by far the worse crime.

This applies directly to the NATO involvement in Libya, as Gaddafi had publicly declared his intention of waging a genocide against the opposition, and cleansing the nation of these cockroaches house by house. More over, Gaddafi had done it before, and was in the very process of seizing the military positioning required to do it. His own deputy minister to the UN stated on the day that NATO decided to participate in the UN mandated mission that Gaddafi was within hours of instituting a slaughter of innocents.

>> ^entr0py:

Seems like that law was designed specifically with petty harassment in mind. There does need to be some law to prevent people from blocking the street with terrible park jobs. But they set the bar for ticketing ridiculously low.


Parking spots are about 9 feet wide. So a foot clearance curbside and a foot clearance traffic side on a 6 foot wide car is about an 8 foot wide parking spot. That's an 8 foot wide parking spot with potentially no fixed obstacles on either side of the vehicle to prevent you from opening your doors and exiting. Which to me equates to more like a 10-11 foot wide parking spot if it's clear on both sides. You know how annoying it is when people park on the lines and you can't get in and out of your car without contorting your body and nearly decapitating yourself on the roof of the vehicle and the top of the door.

So one foot curbside leeway seems fine to me. Also, most lanes of traffic are 11-12 feet standard now, but were smaller in the past more like 10 feet. So a two lane road would be 20 feet and up. If you had parking on both sides, anything more than 1 foot clearance would risk there not being enough room for one car to pass between the two parked cars.

Jefferson was a gentleman, a scholar and a deep thinker.

He would be appalled by you, not me. He would be appalled at the mountain being made out of this molehill, when there are true mountains to be tackled.

Not that either of us really can speak for the man.


>> ^cosmovitelli:

So what about the uneducated British troops sent to put down the illegal colonial rebellion over, as you put it "expensive tea"? Blue collar hardworking guys right? Should have just bent over and taken it because they had badges?
It is bad luck for them, as for the British soldiers, that those whose will they have pledged to violently enforce make tyrannical and demented proclamations. But the most elementary understanding of Jefferson, and the fundamental basis for the US constitution, absolutely precludes meek subservience to tyranny.
A few more gutless masochists like you in Boston and you would be singing God save the Queen, and crowing about how great the staus Quo is. Or whatever mental contortions you had to perform to avoid growing a pair.
As for causing a disrespectful commotion at the memorial to a father of free expression, are you really blaming people silently jigging over people violently attacking others??
No offense but if you'd spouted that shit to Jefferson he'd have knocked you the fuck out.
>> ^bareboards2:
This is the very definition of dehumanization. To tell a hardworking blue collar worker that they are a tool of the state, instead of recognizing that they are understandably pissed off at a bunch of folks who aren't following specific directions?
There is a vid on the sift interviewing cannibals on how they justified eating a fellow human being.
This is the modern world equivalent of that cannibal saying the sorcerer wasn't human, so it was okay to kill and eat him.

So what about the uneducated British troops sent to put down the illegal colonial rebellion over, as you put it "expensive tea"? Blue collar hardworking guys right? Should have just bent over and taken it because they had badges?

It is bad luck for them, as for the British soldiers, that those whose will they have pledged to violently enforce make tyrannical and demented proclamations. But the most elementary understanding of Jefferson, and the fundamental basis for the US constitution, absolutely precludes meek subservience to tyranny.

A few more gutless masochists like you in Boston and you would be singing God save the Queen, and crowing about how great the staus Quo is. Or whatever mental contortions you had to perform to avoid growing a pair.

As for causing a disrespectful commotion at the memorial to a father of free expression, are you really blaming people silently jigging over people violently attacking others??

No offense but if you'd spouted that shit to Jefferson he'd have knocked you the fuck out.

>> ^bareboards2:

This is the very definition of dehumanization. To tell a hardworking blue collar worker that they are a tool of the state, instead of recognizing that they are understandably pissed off at a bunch of folks who aren't following specific directions?
There is a vid on the sift interviewing cannibals on how they justified eating a fellow human being.
This is the modern world equivalent of that cannibal saying the sorcerer wasn't human, so it was okay to kill and eat him.

Fixed.

In reply to this comment by Fusionaut:
Hahahaha! I'll fix my dupe. I searched for contortionist not contortionism.

In reply to this comment by geo321:
That thought did cross my mind. lol. I had a thought of putting 'Two Girls one Cube'. >> ^soulmonarch:

You totally should have named this "Two Girls - One Box".

This video has been declared a duplicate by the original submitter; transferring votes to the original video and killing this dupe - dupeof declared by Fusionaut.

*dupeof=http://videosift.com/video/Contortion-in-a-Cube

Hahahaha! I'll fix my dupe. I searched for contortionist not contortionism.

In reply to this comment by geo321:
That thought did cross my mind. lol. I had a thought of putting 'Two Girls one Cube'. >> ^soulmonarch:

You totally should have named this "Two Girls - One Box".

@Fusionaut. Your title is definitely better. . I sifted this a couple weeks ago calling it Contortion in a Cube. http://videosift.com/video/Contortion-in-a-Cube

While I think that if this happens to a single borrower, it's one too many, I found it very interesting how many contortions the expert went through to avoid talking about the extent of the problem. A simple number, either a percent or an estimate of the number of borrowers being screwed, would have clarified much. As it stands, she went out of her way to NOT give a number, which leads me to believe that it's quite small, and while a problem, not worthy of a 10 minute segment.

And while I do appreciate the "borrowers are totally to blame for not going over the fine print" sentiment, I'm really tired of the unspoken rule of business, which, if true, needs to be written into every contract ever signed, which is, "We will be utter cockbags, no matter what. Given a chance to be a cockbag, we will embrace our darkest impulses every fucking time." If that language is in there, there'd be a lot less problems from the borrowers in the long run.

That thought did cross my mind. lol. I had a thought of putting 'Two Girls one Cube'. >> ^soulmonarch:

You totally should have named this "Two Girls - One Box".

I know its just contortion, I've seen them all before but when you put that soundtrack to it.... for some reason I'm creeped out.

Here's a break down of my thoughts.
"I know where it came from, I'm the history teacher."
"It came from Hitler's mouth"
*Face Contorts*
*Mouth forms the F Shape*
*RAGE BUILDING*
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

Tags for this video have been changed from 'chtv, twister, sex, contort' to 'chtv, twister, sex, contort, not that green' - edited by ponceleon

It's obvious this guy was and is a repressed obnoxious geek that probably got his little obnoxious geek ass kicked and poked throughout his life and now he has to keep flapping his big stupid gums to make some point based on fact-less contortions of reality so some idiotic people idolize him. Nothing he says makes any sense whatsoever and it never will. He put up nazi's marching but in reality it fits his show so perfectly with nazi's while he speaks lies and manipulations to the seriously mentally challenged and ill masses.