>> ^MINK:
but dude, you're still talking like Mission is Accomplished.
and you didn't respond to the first part, about why iraq?


I've responded to 'why Iraq' repeatedly. It's because of just how truly horrific Saddam's rule was. Genocide is bad, m'kay?

Why not Rwanda, the Congo Darfur, Sudan, Somalia and on and on? Well, I'd love to see them helping any or all of those regions as well, but if America can only be bothered to remove Saddam I'll take it too.

From America's perspective it's own benefit no doubt plays a major, and maybe even sole, role in it's reasons for choosing Iraq over the many other disaster zones in the world. I can't know, and only care in so much as it affects Iraqi's. I'm still glad that Saddam is gone and the Kurdish people can now live their lives without living as fugitives with a permanent death sentence over their and their children's heads.

You wouldn't argue America has no business in Rwanda because they weren't helping Sudan, would you? So I'll turn your question around in the context of defending people from known genocidal government rule, 'What's so special about Iraq'?

For extra credit, why isn't the entire remainder of this violence forsaken planet doing anything about Rwanda, the Congo, Darfur, Sudan, Somalia and on and on? Do we really want to just watch as genocide occurs because we dare not intervene?

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"I mentioned evolution at one of my classes, and the teacher said:
"What a binary Idea! Fit. UnFit.""

Lol. That is so wrong.


Not a thing I wanna hear from martial arts teach. I chuckled... but when I got down to the mats... I regretted I said it.

The Congo is rich in minerals. There's a lot of looting going on.

>> ^NordlichReiter:
Utter Stupidity.
To think that porking a woman is going to protect your from a bullet or an 105 millimeter air burst howitzer shell.
I am going to go back to reading the god delusion.
The stupidity is, astounding.


Actually, a lot of times they are still using machetes to clean out villages the old fashioned way

>> ^jerryku:
>> ^bcglorf:
A lot of the same monsters in the Congo that are killing tutsi's right now are the ones that killed almost 800,000 in Rwanda. Go see more of what that was like here.
Insanity doesn't even begin to describe it, and the whole cursed world still can't be bothered to do anything about it.

Yep, according to some accounts, about 6 million people have died between '94 and today. I wouldn't say nothing has been done though. From what I've read, France and the US have actually had a bit of an impact on the central African situation. There has been evidence that the 1994 Rwandan genocide was sparked by the assassination of Rwanda's president. The act was carried out by American allies, the Rwandan Patriotic Front. The leader of the RPF (and now de facto leader of Rwanda) is Paul Kagame, who was trained in Texas. I also read that in 1996, a US Congressional inquiry discovered that President Clinton had secretly been sending military aid to Kagame's forces as they were overthrowing Kabila in Zaire.
I would be surprised if Bush was totally ignoring central Africa, especially considering Kagame's ties to America. I believe Kagame was first being groomed by Bush Sr.'s administration, too. We probably just don't know what actions are being taken.


Have you read about what all happened in Rwanda? You can place some blame on Kagame and the RPF if you want to, but they where ultimately the ONLY thing that stopped the horrific genocide that was going on.

The RPF's stated de facto purpose in fighting in Rwanda was to protect the Tutsi minority, and it would appear as though that protection was needed. Kagame and the RPF may well have done a lot to antagonize the situation for their benefit, but at the end of the day, they weren't the blood thirsty demons raping and murdering nearly a million people, they were the ones fighting those demons.

Oh, and you can talk about Bush working with Kagame, but don't leave out that it was Clinton who was president when 800,000 were being killed in Rwanda and Clinton did NOTHING! I would take Bush senior arming and supporting Kagame over the genocide that happened any day. What human being wouldn't give their own life to go back in time and make that deal?

>> ^StukaFox:
I've never been able to figure out what God has against Russia, but He apparently has it 10 times as bad for Africa.


Ironical how even though you were just treated to an expose of superstition, your first reaction is to attempt to explain it with yours.

>> ^bcglorf:
A lot of the same monsters in the Congo that are killing tutsi's right now are the ones that killed almost 800,000 in Rwanda. Go see more of what that was like here.
Insanity doesn't even begin to describe it, and the whole cursed world still can't be bothered to do anything about it.


Yep, according to some accounts, about 6 million people have died between '94 and today. I wouldn't say nothing has been done though. From what I've read, France and the US have actually had a bit of an impact on the central African situation. There has been evidence that the 1994 Rwandan genocide was sparked by the assassination of Rwanda's president. The act was carried out by American allies, the Rwandan Patriotic Front. The leader of the RPF (and now de facto leader of Rwanda) is Paul Kagame, who was trained in Texas. I also read that in 1996, a US Congressional inquiry discovered that President Clinton had secretly been sending military aid to Kagame's forces as they were overthrowing Kabila in Zaire.

I would be surprised if Bush was totally ignoring central Africa, especially considering Kagame's ties to America. I believe Kagame was first being groomed by Bush Sr.'s administration, too. We probably just don't know what actions are being taken.

>> ^HollywoodBob:
@bcglorf:
But there's far more money to be made selling arms and drugs to all sides and continuing the fighting than there would be if they stopped.
Besides there's not a lot of oil in Congo, Rwanda, Sudan, etc. to really warrant the kind of military force needed to establish some semblance of order there. Sorry, it's just not cost effective. Give us a call when Africa has some energy resources worth exploiting. Maybe when GE develops Juju conversion power plants we'll take an interest.


That explains the rationalization of the hawks, but the peace niks leave me harder to peg. They too cry for the day nations will mind their own business while this kind of horror goes on and they could care less about the resources .

@bcglorf:
But there's far more money to be made selling arms and drugs to all sides and continuing the fighting than there would be if they stopped.

Besides there's not a lot of oil in Congo, Rwanda, Sudan, etc. to really warrant the kind of military force needed to establish some semblance of order there. Sorry, it's just not cost effective. Give us a call when Africa has some energy resources worth exploiting. Maybe when GE develops Juju conversion power plants we'll take an interest.

A lot of the same monsters in the Congo that are killing tutsi's right now are the ones that killed almost 800,000 in Rwanda. Go see more of what that was like here.

Insanity doesn't even begin to describe it, and the whole cursed world still can't be bothered to do anything about it. Every hawk that wants to go into a foreign country for their own benefit and every peace nik that doesn't want military force to ever be used should be strapped into a chair with their eyes taped open and be forced to watch what is really happening over here.

Wouldn't it be funny if they were all raped by gay men "for the sake of the Congo"?

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>> ^Ryjkyj:
Jesus christ peggedbea. You are one awesome motherfucker on the internet.

Last narrative book I've read was 1984. It was for a philosophy class. Other than that, I've read a lot of Michael Crichton's (RIP) books like Congo, Andromeda Strain, Prey, State of Fear, 2nd Jurassic Park book (forgot what it's called).

Also strongly recommend Tom Clancy's Without Remorse followed by Rainbow Six. Great stuff. 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea is also great. Might have to pick that one pack up since I don't remember much about it, been 11 years.

Anyone know if this is from Belgium or the Netherlands?

I find 'anti-war' sentiment from either country in today's world disgusting. Right now there are a quarter million refugees in the Congo because of the war being fought there. For those unaware, as our media is largely ignoring it, the war is a result of a rebel army fighting to protect the minority tutsi population from extremist Hutu militia groups. Those Hutu militia groups are the ones that fled Rwanda after raping and killing more than half a million people.

Belgium had troops in Rwanda when that atrocity occurred, they even lost some soldiers in it. They were so touched by the loss of their soldiers they attempted to court martial the highest ranking officer in their deployement for "putting men in harms way". That is the stench of an extreme anti-war policy, with over 500,000 people being raped and murdered, heaven forbid the soldiers deployed there do anything to try and stop it. As for the Netherlands, they haven't any troops at all in the Congo today. Anyone believe that the world would respond to Rwanda differently today? Nope, the EU rejected a plea for a mere 3000 troop deployment to the Congo just this week.

I don't consider standing aside while genocide occurs to be 'anti-war', it is cowardice. I would even go so far as to say that those condemning other nations as war mongers for intervening as the real pro-war side.