>> ^Raverman:
Hitler would be proud


I think Joseph Goebbels, the masterful propaganda minister, and Hermann Goering, Hilter's designated successor, would be proud also.


“The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State.”
- Joseph Goebbels


“Why of course the people don’t want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don’t want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship…Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.”
- Hermann Goering

Sorry, man, dupe.

The live performance
http://www.videosift.com/video/William-Shatner-Common-People

It is extremely frustrating to live in a time where there is no accountability, where evasion and lies are the bread and butter of politicians and corporations alike. There is truely no one home so to speak. Information is what separates the common people from the elites behind the scenes and they, (those who stand on the shoulders of the common people) are holding onto information abit too tightly.

In this case you see an EPA chairman clearly dodging the issue of wether or not he spoke to the president on said subject. The implications of if he did indeed speak to the president are rather small, but the stance of people like this is that they answer to no one and if asked, they can simply say whatever they wish.

Nice poem:) I think we need more Bertolt Brecht:

FROM A GERMAN WAR PRIMER

AMONGST THE HIGHLY PLACED
It is considered low to talk about food.
The fact is: they have
Already eaten.

The lowly must leave this earth
Without having tasted
Any good meat.

For wondering where they come from and
Where they are going
The fine evenings find them
Too exhausted.

They have not yet seen
The mountains and the great sea
When their time is already up.

If the lowly do not
Think about what’s low
They will never rise.

THE BREAD OF THE HUNGRY HAS
ALL BEEN EATEN
Meat has become unknown. Useless
The pouring out of the people’s sweat.
The laurel groves have been
Lopped down.
From the chimneys of the arms factories
Rises smoke.

THE HOUSE-PAINTER SPEAKS OF
GREAT TIMES TO COME
The forests still grow.
The fields still bear
The cities still stand.
The people still breathe.

ON THE CALENDAR THE DAY IS NOT
YET SHOWN
Every month, every day
Lies open still. One of those days
Is going to be marked with a cross.

THE WORKERS CRY OUT FOR BREAD
The merchants cry out for markets.
The unemployed were hungry. The employed
Are hungry now.
The hands that lay folded are busy again.
They are making shells.

THOSE WHO TAKE THE MEAT FROM THE TABLE
Teach contentment.
Those for whom the contribution is destined
Demand sacrifice.
Those who eat their fill speak to the hungry
Of wonderful times to come.
Those who lead the country into the abyss
Call ruling too difficult
For ordinary men.

WHEN THE LEADERS SPEAK OF PEACE
The common folk know
That war is coming.
When the leaders curse war
The mobilization order is already written out.

THOSE AT THE TOP SAY: PEACE
AND WAR
Are of different substance.
But their peace and their war
Are like wind and storm.

War grows from their peace
Like son from his mother
He bears
Her frightful features.

Their war kills
Whatever their peace
Has left over.

ON THE WALL WAS CHALKED:
They want war.
The man who wrote it
Has already fallen.

THOSE AT THE TOP SAY:
This way to glory.
Those down below say:
This way to the grave.

THE WAR WHICH IS COMING
Is not the first one. There were
Other wars before it.
When the last one came to an end
There were conquerors and conquered.
Among the conquered the common people
Starved. Among the conquerors
The common people starved too.

THOSE AT THE TOP SAY COMRADESHIP
Reigns in the army.
The truth of this is seen
In the cookhouse.
In their hearts should be
The selfsame courage. But
On their plates
Are two kinds of rations.

WHEN IT COMES TO MARCHING MANY DO NOT
KNOW
That their enemy is marching at their head.
The voice which gives them their orders
Is their enemy’s voice and
The man who speaks of the enemy
Is the enemy himself.

IT IS NIGHT
The married couples
Lie in their beds. The young women
Will bear orphans.

GENERAL, YOUR TANK IS A POWERFUL VEHICLE
It smashes down forests and crushes a hundred men.
But it has one defect:
It needs a driver.

General, your bomber is powerful.
It flies faster than a storm and carries more than an elephant.
But it has one defect:
It needs a mechanic.

General, man is very useful.
He can fly and he can kill.
But he has one defect:
He can think.

- Bertolt Brecht, from the Svendborg Poems (1938)

Thanks, what comment?

In reply to this comment by Issykitty:
I undid therealblankman's downvote on your comment. What a silly.
Oh, and I sooooo wanted to submit this greatness for ya, but realized it has already been sifted.
http://www.videosift.com/video/William-Shatner-Common-People
AND I noticed it isn't on your Shatner playlist! The HORROR!!! Must add it now!

I undid therealblankman's downvote on your comment. What a silly.
Oh, and I sooooo wanted to submit this greatness for ya, but realized it has already been sifted.
http://www.videosift.com/video/William-Shatner-Common-People
AND I noticed it isn't on your Shatner playlist! The HORROR!!! Must add it now!

Scientology, like any other contrived system, apparently works for some of the folks that follow the program....similar to the self-transformation of say, the main character in Fight Club, it is self-reprogramming-it has worked well enough to create a buzz, and an empire, and like fans following a pop-star, folks give their time and money to it. Like most entities that claim their way or the highway, their ranks include assholes, and idgits.

Scientology is a symptom, of a planet being corraled to perform according to meaningless diversions, concocted by a self-seeking few. Any entity that proves itself to be as influential as Scientology, is seen as a threat.

In other words, when people get to the point collectively, where they are unsure about the future of the planet, and can't seem to pin-point the root causes of the problems, they begin to make shit up. this is why, instead of crippling the current keepers of the world economic and social structures, we engage in falling for the ruse the same creates, in the form of so-called free elections, so-called human rights issues, or so-called environmental catastrophies......as long as the perpetrators of lies stay hidden, the common people of the planet will get crazier, stupider, and less able to take care of the basic human condition.

Scientology is but a symptom, of an overall diseased geopolitical and economic system.

You continue to avoid my questions... are you Jewish with some sort of mental hangup on "International Bankers".. is that why your so fixated on this? Are you calling Admiral Ward a racist conspiracy theorist because he stated such a thing?

Also.. You left out the following:
More modern theories transcend the religious overtones of the earlier theories. They purport that a clique of international banking houses which exercised financial control through ownership of the Bank of England and Federal Reserve, run by the Rothschilds, Warburgs, Morgans, and Rockefellers then bought up political control and media control to create an invisible government which usurps the Constitutional government and creates wars and depressions in order to gain more control. For more about this theory see the documentary The Money Masters

also... since you took these two small words from one statement made by an insider of the CFR that was exposing it and are subverting the topic to call him a racist.... here are some statements regarding "International Bankers" and the U.S.:

Capital must protect itself in every way... Debts must be collected and loans and mortgages foreclosed as soon as possible. When through a process of law the common people have lost their homes, they will be more tractable and more easily governed by the strong arm of the law applied by the central power of leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principle men now engaged in forming an imperialism of capitalism to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd.
-- J.P. Morgan (American born private International Banker)

History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance.
-- James Madison (4th President of the United States)

I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.
-- Woodrow Wilson (28th President of the United States)

Banks have done more injury to the religion, morality, tranquility, prosperity, and even wealth of the nation than they can have done or ever will do good.
-- John Adams (2nd President of the United States)

When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.
-- Napolean Bonaparte (Tyrant - attempted ruler of the world)

It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.
-- Henry Ford (Auto manufacturer and inventor of the assembly line)

Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws.
-- Mayer Amschel Rothschild (German-born Jewish International Banker that changed his last name to a British sounding name)

This country has been fighting against International and Central banking since it's initial colonization. The banking legacy is that they keep systematically establishing a central banking system which dominates the people in many ways.

Your attempt to label those of us that realize this fact as racists is pathetic and futile. Go crawl back under your rock and leave your race card at home.

Lost political power due to media's coverage in Iraq? What different channels are you watching because as far as I can see the media trumpets whatever the Whitehouse decides to do even when they go against the facts on the ground and are neatly presented by a politicized general. Esclation in forces? No it's a surge! Success in the surge? Drawing down the troops not actually you know... bringing them back because the army is breaking down....

There is solidarity amongst the common people that something has to be done about Burma's violent crackdown, a push for stronger action via the UN beyond empty rhetoric is one, visiting the countries leaders is another. It's not that he is politically cut off from actually doing something, it's more like he sees no need to intervene in an actual struggle for democracy, especially when there is no oil interests.

Brilliant diatribe. Christianity and Islam makes about as much sense as the Greek/Roman Pantheon or Egyptian Pharoah/God worship. Its the usual mumbo-jumbo fairytale crap fed to the common people since early recorded human history (and beyond).... to 'keep them in line' and justify the existence of dictatorial or neo-dictatorial leadership.

Religion was created to answer the unexplainable through made up fairy tales in a time when science was unable to fill such space within the sphere of human knowledge and understanding.

Put simply. People need to justify their measly existence as 'common paupers' among the masses. The logical solution to satisfy everyone's need to justify their own existence and simply 'make one's self feel better' (ultimately a selfish goal), was to associate with an organized religion touting uniqueness in one's self and everlasting life in exchange for mental slavery. Thus, the masses immediately gave up their only remaining valuable asset. Their minds.. to those very cults. Simply to be absorbed, deluded, and ultimately prevented from true individual thought and self-expression. Instead, the practice of programmatic expression and group mindedness surpassed logic.

Bluecliff:

Since you mention the religious, according to a 2004 poll, 55% of Americans believe in literal biblical creationism. I sincerely doubt that this majority is due to any shadowiness or secretiveness on the part of the scientific community. The fact that creationism persists in the minds of "common people" is not a good reason to think there must be something to it or something we're "not being told" (just as the persistence of conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11 in the minds of such people is not a good reason to think that the government is hiding something or that those theories are in any way rationally justified).

Incidentally, "If you want to convince those who are utterly certain then your damned to begin with" is something else with which I wholeheartedly agree; as Jonathan Swift said, "It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of what he was never reasoned into." This applies to both our subject and its aforementioned analog.

PS: Apologies for being dense -- here are the Pentagon videos: Citgo; Doubletree. (There's little of interest and they're not worth posting, in my opinion.)

err, I was asking you (in a roundabout sort of way though) if you could possibly send a link. Or post the video yourself.

if you want to convince those who are utterly certain then your damned to begin with.

Oh and I was talking about the persistence of conspiracy theories in the minds of 'common' people, who still have some doubt or believe that there is a real possibility of some kind of conspiracy scenario.

ANd that's the problem, and the more dangerous one I believe. It's you're prerogative (and a better tactic) to supply the people to whom the theorists are talking too with clear evidence of the manner of the attacks. A historical and scientific overview.
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It's better to educate the church goer than to try to convince the priest, isn't it?

are the tapes on the net? It would be interresting to see them, or post them on videosift.

With respect, that is a naive thing to say. The conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11 subsist on simply no evidence and also in the face of overwhelming counterevidence. It's not like a few further pieces of counterevidence are going to change anything.

Also with respect;
That the conspiracy persists on no evidence is your view or A perspective, but what I meant with the fatal blow was -
most (common) people who still refuse to go along with the official story, or a version of the official story, and still hold some doubt, would at least have a better vantage point - they would have something concrete.
It's not about evidence but more about openness. Evidence in itself isn't much, it has to be put forward and released in a manner which shows the character of the people and ideology involved.


The conspiracies are , I think, fueled more than anything by the shadowy and stupid steps of officials. And, perhaps, by the incompetence and commercial ways of the media.


edit: yeah, I agree, there still would be some people who would never believe, but their number would be, I presume, greatly reduced...

Hi James, I came across your William Shattner singing Pulp post when I was looking to submit it myself. There's a working link here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eISBTBwWKeE