@A10anis

You suggest at the end of your first comment that Shure and Dore think Islam is moderate. But they don't say that. All your arguments against Islam are word for word equally applicable to Christianity as well.

As for your defence of Christianity, first, I don't know what the term is, but posing rhetorical questions, the answers to which don't conclude anything is a false argument. Like, I can make a false argument in the same way by asking, "When was the last time a Muslim burned a black man on a cross? When was the last time Muslims conducted witch hunts or a Spanish Inquisition?" It sounds like the answers must be conclusive, but they're meaningless. If you want to say something, just say it.

Second, using the craziest of the sickest crazies to exemplify Islam is like using the KKK and the hick communities they draw from to exemplify the western civilization. It's bullshit. Most Muslims just go about doing their thing and don't give a shit what other people think, and certainly don't advocate killing non-believers. And the ones who do, it's not because they're Muslim: it's because the U.S. installed or supported religious dictatorial leaders. What do you think are the three most batshit crazy Islamic countries? I bet the U.S. created or supported the creation of their non-democratic power structure. Am I right? Lack of democracy is the difference, not the text of the religion. Give Muslims democracy and they'll chill out because democracy is better than any religion.

You offered to clarify though. You said you agree with everything else Dooley said besides those two statements, right? So, can you clarify that you:
* support "total war" against all Muslims and the reduction of the religion of Islam to "cult status"?
* think the U.S. is OK to go ahead and do this?
* consider Muslims to be the "enemy of the West"?
* assert the Geneva Convention is no barrier to militarily targeting non-combatant Muslims abroad (which currently is all of them)? How about American Muslims? Can they be targeted militarily as well?
* claim there is no such thing as moderate Islam?
* believe there are 140 million Muslims who hate "everything you stand for"? Really? Everything?
* believe the Crusades were justified? Even the ones waged against other Christians?

Backpedalling in 3, 2, 1...

I must be some kind of hybrid freak. I use PCs at home and abroad (eh?) and a Mac at work, because that's what the office wants. Does this mean both sides want me dead?

I am pretty sure you are one who likes mr pilkington. I am on an idiot abroad kick today watching episodes.

http://www.putlocker.com/file/FB61699BA63EE3FF#

Idiot abroad .

Better not vote in Obama either. Lesser of two evils? He signed in indefinite detention, bombs Pakistani children with drones, kills United States citizens abroad.
The solution is to build political power from below

>> ^cosmovitelli:

If you pay right wingers to lock people up (say 20k of that 88k is net profit) they will lock up EVERYONE they can.
That's the end of the logic. No need for further complication.
As a side note, if they make money by fighting wars, YOU WILL ALWAYS BE AT WAR.
(If you want peace, safe clean food, healthcare, sanity, child protection, education... Better not vote in psychotic demagogues who can make money by doing the opposite. Doh!)

In a nutshell, this is why the rich sent as many jobs abroad as possible. If you treat an Indian person badly in India, it's alright; if you do it in the USA, however, someone might get arrested, if only for show.

My cards on the table: I think Obama is a horrible leader, one of the worst I've ever seen in elected office. I thought he had great vision before, and I liked his early actions in the Middle East, but he seems to lack the balls to do anything decisive. Even if he made strong decisions that I disagreed with I'd respect him more than I do. On that count, Bush was better.

>>> You think Obama failed because he wasn't liberal enough, is that correct? I saw no vision, just a clever media-protected imago who freely admitted he acted as a mirror or canvas for everyone to project their ideas onto him. Middle East failures are no surprise. He's an appeaser, his offered olive branch to the turbaned vermin was predictably shoved up his you-know-where.

What good would the Keystone Pipeline do the US? All it does is remove oil from the States to sell abroad. How could this possibly be a good thing?

>>> It would do more good than fake solar companies. Special thanks to the current idiot Energy Secretary for admitting out loud what the rest of us already knew.

Assuming "scamulous" means "stimulus", then yes, of course it failed. Nothing would have succeeded.

>>> Where were you with this warning before the scamulus began (and yes, Bush conceived it but Obama supercharged it).

And if he hadn't given a stimulus package, the Republicans would have jumped down his throat for doing nothing.

>>> Back to leadership: a real leader can take it. FDR's scamulus was also a failure and revisionist history hides its lack of effectiveness, but at least FDR said of his enemies, "I welcome their hatred."

But per your last comment, "the guy in charge at the time the fit hits the shan gets the blame", so you accept then that the entire worldwide financial crisis is Bush's fault anyway. Deal.

It's a tad more complicated than that. Bush Hatred was a daily staple of the libmedia diet and people were naturally disenchanted with negative-only libmedia reporting on the wars. I'm not sure if Bush got the lion's share of the blame for the Follies of '08...he does deserve blame for the initial scamuli, as well as acting like a liberal with a few conservative tendencies.

The seeds of the banking crisis were sowed by government ineptitude and corruption. Few people take huge risks with their own money, so when a socialist government funds a "Free Houses for Poor People Who Can't Afford Them Act" program and promises banks "risk-free" support of loans and investments to do so, people act accordingly.

Europe has European socialism to blame for its follies. Someone's gotta pay for all that free honey, and when there are more freeloaders than worker bees the hive collapses.

May the majority of bewildered voters not be so readily fooled this year, even if it means electing a stiff like Romney. Welcome back stability after His Earness and his planned chaos. And Barney Frank belongs in an orange jumpsuit for his role in the financial crises.












>> ^messenger:

My cards on the table: I think Obama is a horrible leader, one of the worst I've ever seen in elected office. I thought he had great vision before, and I liked his early actions in the Middle East, but he seems to lack the balls to do anything decisive. Even if he made strong decisions that I disagreed with I'd respect him more than I do. On that count, Bush was better.
What good would the Keystone Pipeline do the US? All it does is remove oil from the States to sell abroad. How could this possibly be a good thing?
Assuming "scamulous" means "stimulus", then yes, of course it failed. Nothing would have succeeded. And if he hadn't given a stimulus package, the Republicans would have jumped down his throat for doing nothing. But per your last comment, "the guy in charge at the time the fit hits the shan gets the blame", so you accept then that the entire worldwide financial crisis is Bush's fault anyway. Deal.

My cards on the table: I think Obama is a horrible leader, one of the worst I've ever seen in elected office. I thought he had great vision before, and I liked his early actions in the Middle East, but he seems to lack the balls to do anything decisive. Even if he made strong decisions that I disagreed with I'd respect him more than I do. On that count, Bush was better.

What good would the Keystone Pipeline do the US? All it does is remove oil from the States to sell abroad. How could this possibly be a good thing?

Assuming "scamulous" means "stimulus", then yes, of course it failed. Nothing would have succeeded. And if he hadn't given a stimulus package, the Republicans would have jumped down his throat for doing nothing. But per your last comment, "the guy in charge at the time the fit hits the shan gets the blame", so you accept then that the entire worldwide financial crisis is Bush's fault anyway. Deal.>> ^quantumushroom:

Pretending or denying Obama's lack of experience and leadership hasn't negatively affected the US economy is as intellectually dishonest as it gets.
Oil prices are not controlled by your government.
Where were statements like this when Bush was being blamed for high gas prices? Nowhere.
Oil prices are affected by the federal leviathan's antics every day. Gasoline is taxed by the government, and although it shouldn't be deciding which industries thrive and which fail, here we have the Amateur and his merry crew losing billions of taxpayer dollars to bullsh1t green solar companies while vetoing the Keystone Pipeline.
Our enemies know His Earness is spineless. You think iran would be playing these games with a real leader in the White House? Or are you going to state that iran doesn't directly control oil prices so it "doesn't count".
And oh yes, what about the scamulus? FAIL.
Whether "fair" or not, the guy in charge at the time the fit hits the shan gets the blame. Deal.
>> ^messenger:
How the uneducated make arguments:
1. Pick a random problem in your life.
2. Say your chosen target did it.
3. Repeat until it gains traction.
Oil prices are not controlled by your government.>> ^quantumushroom:
Are you enjoying the higher gas prices?

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^dannym3141:
I'm a mental fan of gervais and merchant (and karl) but i have to say that life's too short was god awful

So was the second An Idiot Abroad in my view. Just have them do more podcasts please!

I hated the first, loved the second... it was much more natural karl. Reminded me of xfm karl before he started egging it.

I just F'n hate the stupid calling Karl up bullshit. I want them to fucking BE there with him doing these things too or encouraging Karl in person. I don't want to watch someone on the phone with someone else it's retarded. Especially since what I want more than anything is for Karl to stop putting up with their "orders" and say "Fuck you I ain't doing it." He tried and FAILED to do that, and I'm sick of watching it.


Fair enough, but i have to say they don't come across well in the series, i think they may have made themselves look worse than they are. They're actually really good mates and a lot of what we see on TV now is kind of over-acting. Karl loves spending time with them, they're pretty much his only friends and if they didn't force him to maintain the frindship, he wouldn't ever see them cos he's such a miserable, set-in-his-ways, old-before-his-time fart. I don't think he's really being pressured or anything; they're acting more nasty than they are and he's acting more annoyed than he is.

I think he does get a bit of that in the 2nd series anyway though because he flat refuses to do the big challenge (won't spoil it) or at least lies. But i preferred it because we got to see him having to interact with other people that always failed to meet his requirements in any given errand and there was no way out of it - like the desert island one - so he had to just be his natural annoyed self with those people.

Man i could talk for england, and you might not have even meant that at all so i'll stop there. Oh but i agree i think it's utter shit having them just call up like fatcats. It just seems a bit weird. Make an itinerary at the start and let him work it out, or go with him. What did they do instead? Life's too fucking short?

@EMPIRE - Were you a fan of extras and the office though? I feel like this is the first of their comedies that has the appeal to people who'd like comedies i can't hack such as "my family"

>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^Yogi:
>> ^dannym3141:
I'm a mental fan of gervais and merchant (and karl) but i have to say that life's too short was god awful

So was the second An Idiot Abroad in my view. Just have them do more podcasts please!

I hated the first, loved the second... it was much more natural karl. Reminded me of xfm karl before he started egging it.


I just F'n hate the stupid calling Karl up bullshit. I want them to fucking BE there with him doing these things too or encouraging Karl in person. I don't want to watch someone on the phone with someone else it's retarded. Especially since what I want more than anything is for Karl to stop putting up with their "orders" and say "Fuck you I ain't doing it." He tried and FAILED to do that, and I'm sick of watching it.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^dannym3141:
I'm a mental fan of gervais and merchant (and karl) but i have to say that life's too short was god awful

So was the second An Idiot Abroad in my view. Just have them do more podcasts please!


I hated the first, loved the second... it was much more natural karl. Reminded me of xfm karl before he started egging it.

>> ^dannym3141:

I'm a mental fan of gervais and merchant (and karl) but i have to say that life's too short was god awful


So was the second An Idiot Abroad in my view. Just have them do more podcasts please!

>> ^Kalle:

>> ^Pprt:
Congratulations China on discovering that if you have lots of sex your population can triple in 50 years.
Thanks for providing the cheap uneducated labourers needed to keep our first-world economies rolling.
Don't worry. Once we decide we've used you up, we'll send you a thank you card stapled to some UN food packets. Yeah, but only after we pull our engineers and high-technology from your greasy fingers. While we're at it... we'll ship you back all those spies you've sent abroad free of charge.
Thanks for playing, enjoy those Big Macs while you can!

Thank you for this lesson Mr Cheney..


I think we just found the new republican front runner..

>> ^chilaxe:

@Porksandwich "Socialism works in other countries, and works quite well."

Does this apply to socialist countries outside of northern Europe?
Socialism works in Scandinavia because it's full of Scandinavians. Scandinavians in the US - regardless of whether their family has been here 100 years or 1 year - are like East Asians and Jews in the US... they contribute to society at a rate far above other cultural groups.
If the US was full of Scandinavians it would rank similarly to Scandinavia, regardless of the differences in economic systems. US outcomes in general are driven by cultural groups.


It would be a lie to say you knew every aspect of every country without living in those countries to judge whether it "works" or not. You'd have to live at every income level and in various locations within each country to really KNOW for yourself. For example the US works quite well if you are a billionaire, but not so much if you make minimum wage. Your opportunity chance is going to be a magnitude higher as a billionaire, and if you fail you won't be destitute...versus the minimum wage worker.

With that said, there is a general theme in the US that if they don't believe they came up with the idea, plan of execution and implementation without basing any of it on "other" countries then we don't want it.

The common argument during the universal healthcare debate was that while other countries offer it, it wouldn't work in the US. And that's where the explanation usually ended, they would always follow up with the US needs to come up with it's own solution. And then inevitably it would be slight changes to the current system that already doesn't work for many. Then we would ignore that something like 30-35% of the US population is already receiving Medicare/Medicaid coverage that would typically be considered a universal healthcare program if it included everyone else.

It was a really disingenuous argument when you consider that they are trying to keep corporations involved in healthcare and never considered that maybe they should throw them out of the decision making process until they've come up with a plan. Then figure out how they could allow them in that wouldn't be detrimental.

I just think they never looked at other countries implementations to see what they could use for a framework in the US and see what would be required to implement it corporations or not.

But the point of all this is that, despite the evidence that things work in other countries. The US fosters the idea that borrowing ideas from other countries and suiting them to ourselves makes us inferior, and we'd rather stew in the mess we've created until we can come up with something wholly uninfluenced by things outside the country rather than try to fix it sooner by looking abroad. This would be a fine mentality if we didn't cut funding on things that were designed to give us the edge when it comes to discoveries of new things and ideas throughout various fields. There was a time when we were openly giving many of those findings to other countries to do what they will with them, but now we in turn are too good to look at them and consider what we could gain from their methods.

Our government is there to serve and protect it's people, but it doesn't protect them from corporations through regulations or limitations of the powers they have over us. SOPA and John Doe piracy lawsuits are good examples. Mortgage crisis is better. None of those serve the people or the society the people make up. And corporations are not people, so they are part of the society but they do not create the society. Corporations should exist as long as they are beneficial to society, not a minute longer.

It may be cultural group driven, but it seems the younger people are willing to abandon cultural beliefs to attempt something else so they have a chance at a future. We as a nation are unwilling to undo what we have done...we look at our past and despite there being evidence of marching down a slowly declining path that is becoming steeper and steeper.....we continue downward. Now we have to wonder if it's so dark we can't see the huge spiked pit with the very narrow walkway for the well off to tread upon. While the rest of us walk blindly into the pit.

Wool over our eyes, blinders, cart on a lead. Tracks to the cliffs edge. Whatever analogy you want to use.

Edited for clarity and thinking ahead and using the wrong word in a couple places.

I just want them...on the TV all the time. I don't care what they're doing. This is why I demand the next Idiot Abroad have Ricky and Steve traveling with Karl...it's stupid with the fucking phone bits I just end up waiting for the last episode anyways. Give me all three of them traveling like a dafter version of Top Gear and I'll be sooo happy.