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Good talk NR. I'm not convinced.... there are cabinet appointments, etc. he's made that make me not trust him, but I am listening. Ob's speech a couple days ago has me wondering you've got a direct line to him or something.

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>> ^Truckchase:

I know where you're coming from and I don't disagree with your logic, but I'm not gonna get out there and campaign for or vocally support Obama because I do think his administration is still heavily corrupted by (mainly) the financial industry. As you point out he's not nearly as bad as the repubs, so unless by some miracle Buddy Roemer gets any real traction I'll most likely be voting for Obama and running from the polling place in a ankle length trench coat and hat like a family man from 1974 escaping the newsstand with a smut rag.

Oy, Buddy Roemer? The problem with Buddy Roemer is that he seems to think his becoming President is the only/main way to fix the problem with money in politics. Never mind that the biggest problem with campaign finance law is that a) Republicans always oppose it and b) the Supreme Court has deemed real campaign finance law unconstitutional.

The answer to that is a Constitutional Amendment, not giving Buddy Roemer the potential ability to appoint SCOTUS judges, especially since he'd only get to replace liberals in a 2013-2017 term, not roadblocks like Thomas, Scalia, or Roberts.

I personally don't think silent support is good enough. I'm gonna be out campaigning for Obama nice and loud. I'm especially going to be pushing back against what I see as crazy misinformation, like the story Cenk is pushing here.

Once you strip away the misinformation, the only legitimate liberal complaints I've heard about Obama boil down to "he didn't do enough to make things better" as opposed to "he made something worse". People seem to have rather quickly forgotten the width and breadth of the damage done by Bush and a Republican congress.

Most people just remember the wars, the Patriot Act, and the tax cuts. Fewer people remember the US Attorneys scandal, fewer people remember the way he gutted the SEC, put the EPA on hold, sabotaged the FEC, tried to gut the FCC, turned the NLRB into a union-busting department, and so on. It was a nonstop deluge of sabotage, fraud, and abuse that just went on and on relentlessly for eight fucking years.

It grates me that it's only partially and often only temporarily being undone by Obama, but now those low-publicity nitty-gritty detail stories are almost universally good ones.

The choice isn't really one of a "lesser of two evils" it's a choice between empowering an enemy who's sworn to destroy everything you hold dear, or empowering a friend who's let you down. I see this as a choice between feckless and imperfect good, or pure, ruthless evil.

>> ^Truckchase:

I know where you're coming from and I don't disagree with your logic, but I'm not gonna get out there and campaign for or vocally support Obama because I do think his administration is still heavily corrupted by (mainly) the financial industry. As you point out he's not nearly as bad as the repubs, so unless by some miracle Buddy Roemer gets any real traction I'll most likely be voting for Obama and running from the polling place in a ankle length trench coat and hat like a family man from 1974 escaping the newsstand with a smut rag.

Oy, Buddy Roemer? The problem with Buddy Roemer is that he seems to think his becoming President is the only/main way to fix the problem with money in politics. Never mind that the biggest problem with campaign finance law is that a) Republicans always oppose it and b) the Supreme Court has deemed real campaign finance law unconstitutional.

The answer to that is a Constitutional Amendment, not giving Buddy Roemer the potential ability to appoint SCOTUS judges, especially since he'd only get to replace liberals in a 2013-2017 term, not roadblocks like Thomas, Scalia, or Roberts.

I personally don't think silent support is good enough. I'm gonna be out campaigning for Obama nice and loud. I'm especially going to be pushing back against what I see as crazy misinformation, like the story Cenk is pushing here.

Once you strip away the misinformation, the only legitimate liberal complaints I've heard about Obama boil down to "he didn't do enough to make things better" as opposed to "he made something worse". People seem to have rather quickly forgotten the width and breadth of the damage done by Bush and a Republican congress.

Most people just remember the wars, the Patriot Act, and the tax cuts. Fewer people remember the US Attorneys scandal, fewer people remember the way he gutted the SEC, put the EPA on hold, sabotaged the FEC, tried to gut the FCC, turned the NLRB into a union-busting department, and so on. It was a nonstop deluge of sabotage, fraud, and abuse that just went on and on relentlessly for eight fucking years.

It grates me that it's only partially and often only temporarily being undone by Obama, but now those low-publicity nitty-gritty detail stories are almost universally good ones.

The choice isn't really one of a "lesser of two evils" it's a choice between empowering an enemy who's sworn to destroy everything you hold dear, or empowering a friend who's let you down. I see this as a choice between feckless and imperfect good, or pure, ruthless evil.

>> ^deathcow:

hate her sweater


Meeooowww.

Mainly in case Naomi reads it and wants some nook.

>> ^Boise_Lib:

>> ^budzos:
Naomi totally reminds me of an older woman I used to bang.

Why are you telling us.
Oh, of course, you're telling Everyone.

>> ^budzos:

Naomi totally reminds me of an older woman I used to bang.


Why are you telling us?

Oh, of course, you're telling Everyone.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^alien_concept:
Olberman should have given her a much better send off than that! She deserved a fucking standing ovation for how she put all that across.
@Yogi I think it's less that they're confused and threatened and more that they just do not give a fuck about true justice anymore. Because all of these permits and laws have been put in place cloak and dagger style right under our noses and there is very little any of us are going to be able to do about it. This was a long con and it's paying off nicely for them

I was reading about this dude Adrian Schoolcraft today. I had heard about his story but it's WAY worse than I thought it was. We should really be looking at our Police much more closely.


I heard Adrian Schoolcraft on NPR today.
http://videosift.com/video/NYPD-cop-records-evidence-of-quotas-Retaliation

>> ^alien_concept:

Olberman should have given her a much better send off than that! She deserved a fucking standing ovation for how she put all that across.
@Yogi I think it's less that they're confused and threatened and more that they just do not give a fuck about true justice anymore. Because all of these permits and laws have been put in place cloak and dagger style right under our noses and there is very little any of us are going to be able to do about it. This was a long con and it's paying off nicely for them


I was reading about this dude Adrian Schoolcraft today. I had heard about his story but it's WAY worse than I thought it was. We should really be looking at our Police much more closely.

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Writer Naomi Wolf attended a HuffPo event in NYC where Governor Andrew Cuomo was expected to attend, and which had attracted a group of Occupy Wall Street demonstrators who wanted to address the governor. Seeing the demonstrators penned up far away from the area where it would be lawful to protest, Wolf asked the police to clarify what the demonstrators should be allowed to do. Once the police had clarified that it would be legal for demonstrators to picket out front of the event, providing they didn't impede pedestrian traffic, she led a group of protesters back to the sidewalk. A "white shirt" (senior NYPD officer) told her she was breaking the law in doing so, and when she asked him to clarify how this was so, he had her arrested. The NYPD continue to insist that the public sidewalk out front of the event was off-limits, but have not, to date, produced the alleged permit that established this.

source:http://boingboing.net/2011/10/20/naomi-wolf-arrested-at-ows-event-for-violating-terms-of-an-imaginary-law.html

this. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/oct/19/naomi-wolf-arrest-occupy-wall-street

shit like this will continue to happen, people will revolt.

naomi wolf, naomi klein and chris hedges are people who have covered revolutions all over the world. they all pretty much agree there is something here. when the police get sick of arresting middle aged women in evening gowns, a revolution will begin.

I dunno how to feel about this. On the one hand, I respect that she has pride in what she does and tries to think deeply about it. On the other hand, I just can't respect her job. It seems to me that her job is to fulfill the misogynistic fantasies of a male-dominated industry. The vast majority of these movies fuel the stereotype that women are nothing more than sex-objects and that women enjoy being treated that way. I don't see her saying there's anything wrong with that.

I understand as males we have a strong biological urge to procreate, but I've never heard of there existing any biological need to objectify women. That's seems to me to be a purely cultural construct. I honestly hope a day will come when people feel they don't need porn anymore and this young woman can start exploring her potential as an actress as more than just a "sexual being" but as a human being.

EDIT: Just found this very interesting essay by Naomi Wolf for the case against porn. I agree with one of the comments after the article which states: "Porn isn’t wrong, a society that considers objectifying women to be the normal is what’s fucked up.

Nice!

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