"since Independence Day" didnt win me over. In fact, had the opposite effect I'll still go see it just because ...

ID4....2? ID42. ID: 42... My god, the answer to the question is "What is Independence Day 2?"

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>> ^AeroMechanical:

>> ^Payback:
>> ^kceaton1:

I'll still see this as it's a Bruce Willis movie and he seems to have an O.K. streak; he hasn't ever really made/been-in a dud, similar to Harrison Ford on that front. Plus Joseph Levitt to boot, should be alright.

Air Force One?

cough Hudson Hawk cough Armageddon cough


While both those films are fairly bad, they are FAR more watchable than the true dregs of movies that have been made by people such as Uwe Boll or M. Night Shyamalan--when M.N.S. made a good show, followed by a decent one, and then proceeded to believe that he made the best films man had ever bear witness to. Plus we both know that there was an audience (and a large one for Armageddon) for BOTH of those movies and also Air Force One, @Payback; sure, they weren't me and you (or @Payback), but there are a lot of people in this world that do not ask very much from their movies.

It's when a movie lets down EVEN THEM that it is a pure and utter failure, able to be ridiculed without equal until the end of time. These are the worst films made. Of course many of the movies that DO succeed, like Prometheus right now (June 2012--for reference), can be made fun of A LOT (like Armageddon, which has been the punchline to many jokes). Why? Because, they have MASSIVE disconnects from reality or other bad writing and screenplay mechanics that they are just ridiculous when thought about with any amount of real thought and prowess in a subject dealing with the movie and it's attempt to portray reality in another light that is utterly false. As I said they appeal to the "entertainment" type audience; someone that would go see Independence Day over and over again. Not to us were we watch someone take off a helmet in a potential zero atmosphere environment "to test it out"; that is UTTER NONSENSE, no one does this in reality! This is the stuff that makes us hate those movies (and create the myriad of jokes for it as well). But, not the entertainment crowd who can enjoy a movie for what it is and suspend their connection with reality for awhile.

Granted if I were to use my "full-on" reviewing analysis of what I would include as good movies--the count of "alright" movies would plummet (for Harrison Ford and Bruce Willis). I can think of atleast 3-4 shows that Bruce has been in that I would consider failures in this light, but I know that many people beyond me DO like these movies--that is why I don't count them as failures as there remains an audience--a decently sized one--for those movies. I have to admit I have my own "cult" movie favorites that no-one likes, really, except for me and maybe a few other people I know. I also have been able to like movies for their entertainment value although I know if I treat them with reality they fall completely apart, quickly. Sometimes it's best to let your imagination rule your heart.

Same thing here. I'm just not on the end of the spectrum that enjoys those movies, if you get my drift. So, trust me, I know Bruce has his bad movies (same with Harrison Ford)--but his bad movies, so far, are better than the real dregs and bottom scraped-up leftovers that are out there. That is what I was trying to say in a lot less context--I hope this clears it up. We most likely see things fairly close or the same; I'm just giving credit to the people that DO like Hudson Hawk, Armageddon, and Air Force One.

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No, no, no - movie trends must be an expression of the collective unconscious. It's much more interesting. Damn you Occam. Damn you all to hell.

>> ^xxovercastxx:

Occam's Razor tells me that we're seeing a lot of apocalypse stories because, years ago, someone made one that was very successful and a lot of people are still on that bandwagon. I blame Independence Day; it's practically a sub-genre now.
I also think 9/11 attuned Americans to widespread destruction. We were used to watching it happen on TV but that was the first time most of us saw it "at home". When the Pentagon was hit I can remember thinking there might be dozens of attacks in progress; that other targets would continue to be hit throughout the day. Deep down, there was a small, sick part of me that was really excited about that.

Occam's Razor tells me that we're seeing a lot of apocalypse stories because, years ago, someone made one that was very successful and a lot of people are still on that bandwagon. I blame Independence Day; it's practically a sub-genre now.

I also think 9/11 attuned Americans to widespread destruction. We were used to watching it happen on TV but that was the first time most of us saw it "at home". When the Pentagon was hit I can remember thinking there might be dozens of attacks in progress; that other targets would continue to be hit throughout the day. Deep down, there was a small, sick part of me that was really excited about that.

No Pluto Nash? Don't you know he's THE MAN on the moon?


>> ^evilspongebob:

1 Battlefield Earth
2 Passion of the Christ
3 Superman 4
4 An Inconvenient Truth
5 Star Trek - Final Frontier
6 Indiana Jones and The Crystal Skull
7 A.I
8 Independence Day
9 Armageddon
10 What the Bleep do we Know?
>> ^csnel3:
when I list my top 10 science fiction movies this is one of them.
Has somebody already started a sift talk on "name your top 10 SciFi movies"?
#1- Alien
...... Discuss

1 Battlefield Earth
2 Passion of the Christ
3 Superman 4
4 An Inconvenient Truth
5 Star Trek - Final Frontier
6 Indiana Jones and The Crystal Skull
7 A.I
8 Independence Day
9 Armageddon
10 What the Bleep do we Know?

>> ^csnel3:

when I list my top 10 science fiction movies this is one of them.
Has somebody already started a sift talk on "name your top 10 SciFi movies"?
#1- Alien
...... Discuss

Wikipedia: Independence Day, commonly known as the Fourth of July, is a federal holiday in the United States commemorating the adoption of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776, declaring independence from the Kingdom of Great Britain. Independence Day is commonly associated with fireworks, parades, barbecues, carnivals, fairs, picnics, concerts, baseball games, family reunions, political speeches and ceremonies, in addition to various other public and private events celebrating the history, government, and traditions of the United States. Independence Day is the national day of the United States.

Looks pretty cool. I like that they've gone with the more low-tech aliens, like District 9, instead of vastly superior like in Independence Day, War of the Worlds or Skyline. Gives us a fighting chance, and really makes it more of a war movie instead of a "holy shit, get out of here" movie.

Independence day 2 huraay something new....

It's kinda meaningless to say "Independence Day meets War of the Worlds", given that Independence Day is a remake of War of the Worlds.