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Suicide Scene from Rules of Attraction

kronosposeidon says...

This scene made me cringe when I saw it; that's how disturbing it was to me. Just because it's disturbing doesn't make it bad, however. Like KOMMIE said in his description, it's a realistic depiction of a romanticized act. Therefore I know that KOMMIE's intent was neither to glorify this act nor play for the lowest-common-denominator vote. This video about suicide got 21 upvotes, even though it was also disturbing. Sure, it was animated and not graphic like this video, but still it made a powerful point. So does this video.

Art isn't always comfortable or easy. Sometimes it's meant to shock you, and through this jarring sensation it can give you a whole new perspective on something that you probably do your best to avoid thinking about. So please don't downvote this just because you find it disturbing. To me that's no better than turning the TV off when you see graphic images of war or famine. Not seeing it doesn't make the problem go away.

PS: KOMMIE, maybe adding a lengthier explanation as to why you queued this video rather than telling your detractors to shove their downvotes up their asses might help a wee bit. I'd like to see this video succeed too.

Censored Images of War

Fedquip says...

Does anybody recognize the Documentary that these clips were taken from, the 9 parts of "Censored images of War" appears to have been clipped from a much larger documentary. I don't think some random dutch youtuber got Brian Williams in for an interview.

Kent State Massacre

colinr says...

I suppose there is some solace to be taken from the idea that at least the American government hasn't started shooting people in its own country, although whether that should be put down to a lack of will on the part of the government to quell dissent with armed troops, or whether it is more because fewer people see the point in protesting any more to become targets is a point worth discussing.

I keep hearing comments by people around in the 60s to the effect that "We'd have been protesting events in Iraq long before now", and there is a sense that the younger generation (and I speak as part of it) are probably more socialised than that generation was. More prepared to accept infringements of civil liberties for fuzzily defined aims such as the 'war on terror' and more apathetic and withdrawn into the culture of reality television to escape the 'real reality' that we feel disenfranchised from.

But also in the 60s there was less media awareness on the part of the ruling class. On the commentary to the Hearts and Minds documentary, the director mentions that the Vietnam War was the first and last war to be totally played out in the public eye. So we have beautifully filmed images of death and destruction in Vietnam and miles of news footage of the reaction in the US, because the government didn't realise that seeing the victims gave them a face (the napalmed girl running down the road, skin peeling off her becoming an indelible image of that war)

They've learnt their lesson. No more beautiful images of war. Whatever the public is shown now is much more managed, edited, chosen for its impact on the audience. Now we have fuzzy pictures of smart bombs or films with poorly defined targets shown in gunsights being obliterated with a push of the button.

Strange that as computer games become more realistic reality is presented in a way more reminiscent of a computer game.

When reality does sometimes break through the micro-managed images we are fed, it comes through on even more grainy, poor quality images - Saddam Hussein's execution for example.

This 'managing and manipulation' of images through the media might also show how protests such as that at Kent State might never happen now. First, the people would not see the images of horror that would lead to a mass protest. Second, the protest would never get the kind of coverage, even if people were killed as a result, in today's media.

I agree with Wingoguy - it just takes one nervous guy with the safety off to accidentally shoot someone.

Very interesting to hear Nixon's speech about anarchy and keeping values by suppressing his countrymen - similar to Bush's pronouncements today. And it is always frightening to hear someone talk about their 'belief' that what they are doing is right and that sense of belief overrides everything else. That type of person can do anything, because they know that they are right, and nobody can tell them they are wrong.

That was sad with Nixon, but it becomes yet another layer of hypocrisy when I hear both Bush and Blair talk about their beliefs, or Blair talk about 'only being judged by history'. Surely the main aim in their 'war on terror' is to attack and destroy religious fundamentalists who feel that their 'beleifs' override the freedom of others. In that sense, how can we be blamed for equating Osama Bin Laden, George Bush and Tony Blair as one and the same?

Anyway, sorry to get onto a rant about current events in a comment about a video of a past tragedy. I just feel sad that I'm looking back at such disturbing footage as almost a relic of a more innocent and naive time.

Dear Mr. Supercomputer . . . send more troops

rickegee says...

It may be on the line. It is gory and gruesome. Blog it if necessary.

Images of war should not be sanitized as a blanket rule even in this mostly genteel space. And I think this particular mashup powerfully presents the endless militaristic Mobius strip of provocation and response.

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