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Obama at Saddleback Church - Pro-Choice, Not Pro-Abortion

NordlichReiter says...

I'm going to offend some people here but I have to.

This guy has it all, pro choice and anti 2nd amendment.

Just because I support the 2nd amendment does not make me a religious conservative. I support the constitution, what does that make me?

And know I wont explain it to you naysayers out there, this guy is just the same as the other guy if not worse. He is "A peace loving decoy ready for retaliation." (-Dirty harry gorillaz).

He says he is pro gun, yet he supports the ban in Chicago, and in the District of Columbia even though they struck it down. Yet it is still illegal to own any automatic or semi auto gun? That's every gun except revolvers and lever actions and pump shot guns. Not to mention the class 3 weapons, that are classified assault. That usually means any weapon with a "bayonet lug", recoil suppressors, or heat plating (commonly seen on shotguns particularly the Spas series.)

http://www.popandsports.com/?p=1118

"Barack Obama's Gun-Related Votes The U.S. Senate Debated:
Obama
Voted:
Supporting concealed carry for citizens10
Anti-gun
Banning many common semi-automatic firearms11
Anti-gun
Disallowing self-defense in towns where guns are banned12
Anti-gun
Imposing one handgun a month restrictions13
Anti-gun
Requiring lock up your safety trigger locks14
Anti-gun
Protecting gun dealers from frivolous lawsuits15
Anti-gun
Outlawing gun confiscations during a national emergency16
Pro-gun
Squelching the free speech rights of gun owners17
Anti-gun
Restricting the interstate sales of firearms18
Anti-gun
Repealing the gun ban in Washington, DC19
Anti-gun

4 James Oliphant and Michael J. Higgins, "Court to hear gun case," Chicago Tribune, November 20, 2007.
5 Illinois State Senate, vote on SB 2165 (41-16), May 25, 2004.
6 Obama says, "National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents." David Mendell, "Democratic hopefuls vary a bit on death penalty," Chicago Tribune, February 20, 2004.
6 Obama says, "National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents." David Mendell, "Democratic hopefuls vary a bit on death penalty," Chicago Tribune, February 20, 2004.
7 See the Gun Owners of America fact sheet at http://www.gunowners.org/fs0404.htm.
8 John Chase, "Keyes, Obama are far apart on guns; Views on assault weapons at odds," Chicago Tribune, September 15, 2004.
9 Senators Chuck Schumer and John Kerry had both cosponsored S. 1431 in 2003, a bill that would have banned any semi-auto shotgun that also contained a pistol grip, which the bill defined as "a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip." According to that definition, just about any semi-automatic shotgun would be banned.
10 See supra note 6.
11 About the so-called "assault weapons" ban, Obama says, "I believe we need to renew -- not roll back -- this common sense gun law." See supra note 8.
12 See supra note 5.
13 As a state senator, "Obama regularly supported gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic 'assault weapons' and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month." "Obama Record May be Gold Mine for Critics," Associated Press, January 17, 2007.
14 On July 28, 2005, Senator Obama voted for a provision requiring gun dealers to include the sale of a lock-up-your-safety device with every handgun sold. The amendment, offered by Sen. Herb Kohl (D-WI), passed by a vote of 70-30. The provision amended the gun makers' protection act (S. 397).
15On July 29, 2005, Senator Obama voted against S. 397, a bill that was designed to put an end to the frivolous lawsuits that were threatening to put many gun dealers out of business. While an argument could be made that a pro-gun Senator might vote against this bill because it contained a lock-up-your-safety provision (see supra note 14), the fact that Obama voted in favor of that trigger lock amendment (but against the overall bill) indicates his real animus against helping gun dealers protect themselves from the anti-gun lawsuits that were aimed at driving them into bankruptcy.
16 On July 13, 2006, Sen. Obama voted for Emergency Powers language that saw only 16 of the most ardent anti-gun senators vote against it. The amendment provides that no money can be used by federal agents to confiscate firearms during a declared state of emergency. The amendment was added to the Department of Homeland Security appropriations bill (HR 5441).
17 On January 18, 2007, Senator Obama voted against a pro-gun amendment to strike language in S. 1 that would infringe upon the free speech rights of groups like Gun Owners of America. The amendment, which passed, struck requirements that would have required GOA to monitor and report on its communications with its members, and could easily have led to government demands for GOA's membership list (a.k.a. registration).
18 Obama has frequently made statements which indicate that he would restrict the interstate sale of firearms. For example, he told the NAACP that, "We've got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren't loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they're not made in our communities. There aren't any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit." Senator Barack Obama, at the NAACP Presidential Primary Forum, July 12, 2007.
19 See supra note 4. " Quoted from a (I Know absolutely conservative site ).

http://www.gop.com/images/research/062608Research2.pdf (this is a PDF) - its hard to find stuff that isn't blatantly republican.

All i am saying is do a little digging on this. I don't want warmongering republican or a lair democrat for president.

I have know problem with commonsense law, but don't lie about your record. I support background checks and the tests needed to get a CCW.

Get this, in some states all you need is hunters education can get a CCW.

This argument has nothing to do with pro choice or pro life in which case I am indifferent.

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Condoleezza Rice still "Proud Of Decision" To Invade Iraq

NordlichReiter says...

"At night I hear the shots
Ring so I'm a light sleeper
The cost of life,
it seems to get cheaper
out in the desert
with my street sweeper
The war is over
So said the speaker with the flight suit on
Maybe to him I'm just a pawn
So he can advance" Gorillaz Dirty Harry

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Gorillaz - a game of death - Anime

Gorillaz vs Blur - Dirty Harry vs Beetlebum Mashup

Iraq story buried by US networks

NordlichReiter says...

What we need to do is keep out noses out of things that do not involve us only until they absolutely involve us. Like WWII the last righteous war ever fought.

The Japanese saw pearl harbor as a Defensive attack. They view defensive as killing the attacker before he attacks, In WWII we had the right to fight and kick ass.

In Vietnam we were fighting the Chinese by proxy, and we failed. All of the wars after WWII are a waste of life and a waste of ammo.

The Iraq war is just for the dollar, thats all its for.

"The war is over so said the speaker
With a flight suit on
Maybe to him im just a pawn
So he can advance
remember when we used to dance
all i wanna do is dance" - "dirty harry" gorillaz

>> ^quantumushroom:
Er.. I hate to tell you this Quantummushroom, but IraqBodyCount.com is one of the sites whose numbers are actually quoted in the video... did you watch it?
Yeah. That guy's annoying accent pisses over everything. He obviously doesn't know about America's mainstream media being 98% left-wing, similar to the eurotrash they so admire.
And are you suggesting there is a group of citizens of the United States that WANT the US to lose a war?
Yup. They're the same people who want high gas prices so you'll drive less, guns banned so you're dependent on them for protection (not unlike the mafia), control of childrens' minds in politically-correct government-run schools and computerized thermostats so they can control your home's temperature from remote locations.
This collective sees the United States only as an exploitive gang of evil rich people controlling everyone else from their secret hideout in the pyramid on the back of the dollar bill. To them, there's nothing the USA can do right, it's all about some secret or not-so-secret profit motive.
And yes, this collective I'm describing wants the USA to lose wars, since Vietnam. They believe whatever they want to believe and always have; I'm just here to remind them they have the right to their own opinions but not to their own facts, and this "one million" number is questionable at best and a lie at worst.

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Jean Michel Jarre - Teo and Tea

Gorillaz - Rock It

11564 says...

fantasic sift, thanks for adding it. i got the gorillaz d-sides album a week ago or so, and this song has been in the forefront ever since.
personally, i kind of think they're talking about talking in general, you know? its kind of all we humans do anymore: blah blah blah.
thanks again.

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Gorillaz featuring Ibrahim Ferrer - 'Latin Simone'

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