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First Amendment R.I.P.

qruel says...

Here are the press releases about this, from the Freedom From Religion Foundation - www.ffrf.org

Censored! FFRF Billboard Removed by Outdoor Company
"Imagine No Religion" Billboard Comes Down in Cucamonga

http://ffrf.org/news/2008/censorship.php

FFRF Sues City of Rancho Cucamonga over Censorship of "Imagine No Religion" Billboard. Asks for Punitive Damages.
http://ffrf.org/news/2008/rancho_complaint.php

also... If you want to complain the billboard company:
General Outdoor Advertising
909-983-4414
http://www.general-outdoor.com/Contact.htm

Why Atheists Care About YOUR Religion

zombieater says...

>> ^klaqua:
Just proves that if you make shit up, make a video with cool music, show some cleavage and state things as fact (that are obviously not fact), you too can have a fan club and be hailed as hero.
Hitler could not be mistaken as and was not a Christian. His god was nationalism and the hate for the Jews. A hate that had no background in religion but common street rhetoric of the time. Someone had to be blamed for the loss of the first WW.
The much praised enlightenment and the "discovery" of evolution was much more an idea from which Hitler took it's page. Hitler used Evolutionary Theory to Justify the Holocaust. http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/hit.htm
You can deny the facts but does not make them true!
http://www.icr.org/article/285/
Now that is just one of the 'facts' that are beyond wrong. Research the crusades and some of the wars you mentioned and you will find that while people call them self "religious" doesn't make them so.
Grow up and research your "propaganda".


Wow, there are so many errors in your argument, it's kinda funny.

First of all, your first source that you site to argue that Hitler used evolution to justify the Holocaust comes from a far-right Pentacostal Christian website...this is the website that also decries the seperation of church and state and describes abortion as "The great American holocaust"... not exactly a balanced viewpoint there. Your other "source" is just as bad - 'The Institute for Creation Research'...c'mon dude, seriously? You're going to need a lot more than that to convince me.

Let's set a few facts straight here:

1) Hmm...#1...oh yeah, Hilter was a deeply devout Catholic! How about some quotes, yes?

"I say: my Christian feeling points me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter. It points me towards the man who, once lonely and surrounded by only a few followers, recognized these Jews and called for battle against them."

and

"I am deeply moved to perceive that his tremendous struggle for this world against the Jewish poison was most profoundly marked by the fact that he had to bleed on the cross for it..."

2) The Nazi party was officially Christian and the majority of members were Christian! Their political policy was to make Christianity the state religion of Germany.

3) R0SENCRANTZ is right. Pope Pius XI signed, and Pope Pius XII negotiated, a concordat with Hitler that gave the church immunity while they supplied the Nazis with money and legal protection for their acts. Pope Pius XI also signed a similar one with Benito Mussolini.

4) Some of the most antisemitic European political and social movements of the 1930's and 1940's were Christian parties.

5) The role of atheists and freethinkers during that time? Well, only 1.5% of the German popluation was self-proclaimed as such, and as stated by Stewart W. Herman Jr, an American clergyman who lived in Nazi Germany during the rise of Hitler, "The athiests may immediately be discounted as exercising any perceptible influence on German religious thought today...[their influence] has been suppressed completely by the new regime which places 'godlessness' in the same category with anarchistic Bolshevism."

This was mostly taken from an article by William Sierichs, Jr., an editor for a newspaper in Louisiana. He has a degree in journalism from LSU. The article is not online, but a similar one can be found in 5 parts from a professor in sociology at the University of Wisconsinhere.
Critically acclaimed books by professors in sociology, history, and anthropology contributed to this article. Authors such as:
Moshe Herczl, Randolph Braham, and David Kertzer.

Idiot Congressman Promotes, can't name, Ten Commandments

qruel says...

I said it once and I'll say it again... Whenever someone asks you to name the ten commandments, recite this information.

1) The first time Moses came down from Mount Sinai with commandments, he merely recited a list (Exodus 20:2-17), which is the version most churches today erroneously call the "Ten Commandments," although they were not engraved on stone tablets and not called "the ten commandments."

2) The first set of stone tablets was given to Moses at a subsequent trip up the mountain (Exodus 31:18). In this farcical story, Moses petulantly destroyed those tablets when he saw the people worshipping the golden calf (Exodus 32:19).

3) So he went back for a replacement. God told Moses: "Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest." (Exodus 34:1) Here is what was on the replacement tablets (from Exodus 34:14-26):

1) Thou shalt worship no other God.
2) Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
3) The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep.
4) Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest.
5) Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks.
6) Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the Lord God.
7) Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.
Neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left until the morning.
9) The first of the firstfruits of thy land shalt thou bring unto the house of the Lord thy God.
10) Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

Keep this in mind next time you are tempted to boil a goat.

This list differs, obviously, from the one in Exodus 20 (was God's memory faulty?), but it is only this list that is called the "Ten Commandments": "And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments." (Exodus 34:28)

Thanks to the Freedom From Religion Foundation www.ffrf.org

Idiot politicians who promote, can't name 10 commandments

qruel says...

Whenever someone asks you to name the ten commandments, recite this information.

1) The first time Moses came down from Mount Sinai with commandments, he merely recited a list (Exodus 20:2-17), which is the version most churches today erroneously call the "Ten Commandments," although they were not engraved on stone tablets and not called "the ten commandments."

2) The first set of stone tablets was given to Moses at a subsequent trip up the mountain (Exodus 31:18). In this farcical story, Moses petulantly destroyed those tablets when he saw the people worshipping the golden calf (Exodus 32:19).

3) So he went back for a replacement. God told Moses: "Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest." (Exodus 34:1) Here is what was on the replacement tablets (from Exodus 34:14-26):

1) Thou shalt worship no other God.
2) Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
3) The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep.
4) Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest.
5) Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks.
6) Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the Lord God.
7) Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.
Neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left until the morning.
9) The first of the firstfruits of thy land shalt thou bring unto the house of the Lord thy God.
10) Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

Keep this in mind next time you are tempted to boil a goat.

This list differs, obviously, from the one in Exodus 20 (was God's memory faulty?), but it is only this list that is called the "Ten Commandments": "And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments." (Exodus 34:28)

Thanks to the Freedom From Religino Foundation www.ffrf.org

Christianity and Atheism in the United States (Religion Talk Post)

qruel says...

^ speaking of Missouri.

On MARCH-02-2006, a committee of the Missouri House approved a resolution to both

1. Repudiate the principle of separation of church and state and
2. Give Christianity a preferential position in Missouri.

read more here http://www.religioustolerance.org/scsmo.htm

atheists, agnostics and believers in separation of church and state have plenty of organizations to get involved in.

Americans United for Separation of Church and State
http://www.au.org/

Freedom From Religion Foundation
http://ffrf.org/

you get the idea...

Mitt Romney's speech: Faith in America

qruel says...

Romney's Pandering Speech
http://ffrf.org/news/2007/romneyspeech.php

Romney needs a fact-checker. He misleadingly stated that the nation's founders "sought the blessings of the Creator." There was indeed prayer at the First Continental Congress, which adopted the failed Articles of Confederation. Romney piously concluded his talk with a prayer attributed to Sam Adams from that event. But he failed to mention that there was no prayer at the constitutional convention that crafted our living and godless constitution.

After promising not to "confuse the particular teachings of my church with the obligations of the office and of the Constitution," Romney immediately vowed: "When I place my hand on the bible and take the oath of office, that oath becomes my highest promise to God." Art. II, Sec. 1 of the US Constitution, providing the presidential oath of office, contains no reference to a god or the bible. But, of course, Romney was signaling to fundamentalists that he would use their book, not the Book of Mormon.

As the difference between JFK's and Romney's speeches reveal, in recent years the notion of the separation between church and state has been debased, disrespected and routinely dissed. The deterioration since 1960 in respect for this pinnacle constitutional precept is mind-boggling.

Instead of affirming the constitution's prohibition of a religious test for public office, Romney's speech pandered to the notion that candidates must be publicly pious, and fed the myth that good citizenship requires religious faith.

Mitt Romney's speech: Faith in America

qruel says...

I upvoted because i found his speech so pandering and ridiculous that I felt others should hear it. He must be smoking some good shit to say delusion thoughts like this "religion requires freedom and freedom requires religion."

Here are some interesting articles on Romney's speech.

Romney and Huckabee's religious intolerance
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2007/12/07/religion_presidency/print.html

"Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom ... Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone."

This statement is so patently false that it scarcely deserves refutation. If Romney has studied the bloody history of his own church, then he knows that the religious fervor of its adversaries drove them to deprive the Mormons not only of their freedom but their lives, and that the Mormons reacted in kind. If he has studied the bloody history of the world's older religions, then he knows that the most devout Christians of all sects have not hesitated to suppress, torture and murder "heretics" throughout history. Only the strictest separation of church and state has permitted the establishment of societies where freedom of conscience prevails -- and those freedoms are firmly rooted in societies where organized religion has long been in decline.

Surely Romney knows that Mormonism, in particular, was historically hostile to liberty for blacks as well as women. The founders of his church believed that God had cursed the world's dark-skinned people. They rejected abolitionism and later the civil rights movement. And their acceptance of full membership for African-Americans in the LDS church dates back only 30 years.

If Romney is going to attack humanists and secularists as "wrong," then let him explain why they were so far ahead of his church on the greatest moral issues of the past half-century.

Romney's Pandering Speech
http://ffrf.org/news/2007/romneyspeech.php

While pretending to affirm the separation of church and state, Romney used his speech to attack it: "in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God" and to establish a "new religion in America--the religion of secularism." Secularism is not a religion--secularism is what safeguards religious freedom for all, including us dissenters, and including the nation's tiny minority of Mormon adherents.

Romney Speech Reflects Inaccurate Understanding Of Church-State Relations, Says Americans United
http://www.au.org/site/News2?JServSessionIdr012=ik6kj8oi81.app5b&abbr=pr&page=NewsArticle&id=9533&security=1002&news_iv_ctrl=1241

“I was disappointed in Romney’s statement,” said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, Americans United executive director. “The founders of our Constitution meant for religion and government to be completely separate. Romney is wrong when he says we are in danger of taking separation too far or at risk of establishing a religion of secularism.

Romney's incomplete speech on religion in America.
http://www.slate.com/id/2179386/

Mitt the Mormon. Why Romney needs to talk about his faith.
http://www.slate.com/id/2178568/

Romney Spokesman Won't Say If Atheists Have Place In America
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/12/romney_spokesman_wont_say_whether_athiests_have_a_proper_place_in_america.php

Mormon Underwear
http://www.mormon-underwear.com/
http://www.slate.com/id/2161933/

Cleansing Dollar Bills 101

Louis Theroux visits the Westboro Cult

qruel says...

okay, don't flame me. but these folks have the bible more right (honest) than most. all that hatred and bigotry is in the bible and they are just making it known. At least they don't play the used car saleman routine about their religion (meaning only telling people the god huggy feely stuff). please don't give me the out of context bullshit line either. go read the old testament and try telling me context makes all the horrible bullshit the christian god does to people okay.
for those of you interested here are some links to things you won't hear most christians talking about that is in the bible (either due to ignorance or embarrassment) this info is gleaned from www.ffrf.org

http://www.archetype-productions.com/nfo/religion/Mass-Killings-Ordered-by-God.doc
http://www.archetype-productions.com/nfo/religion/Why_Women_Need_Freedom_From_Religion.doc
http://www.archetype-productions.com/nfo/religion/10-commandments-discussed.doc
http://www.archetype-productions.com/nfo/religion/Know-Jesus.doc

[West Wing] President quotes bible at right wing radio host

qruel says...

I love how some apologists on here talk about the prez taking the bible out of context in that clip... and exactly what is the proper context for any of ridiculous rules of the old testament that usually involve death as the punishment ?
religion is a farce, especially the christian religion.
I wish people would use their critical thinking skills on religion as they do everythign else in their life.
the following articles shed a much needed light on the absurdities of the bible

CHALLENGE TO CHRISTIANS (to make sense of the absurditiy that is the gospels)
http://ffrf.org/books/lfif/stone.php

learn of all the innocent women and children god kills throughout the bible
http://archetype-productions.com/nfo/religion/Loving-God.doc

the bible is NOT PRO LIFE
http://ffrf.org/nontracts/abortion.php

learn about the many different versions of the 10 commandments ?
http://archetype-productions.com/nfo/religion/10-commandments-debunked.doc
http://archetype-productions.com/nfo/religion/10-commandments-discussed.doc
http://archetype-productions.com/nfo/religion/10-commandments.doc
http://archetype-productions.com/nfo/religion/The-Real-Ten-Commandments-carrier.doc

for a much deeper understanding of the biblical text, please visit the forums on www.infidels.org
or go to http://www.au.org/ to learn more about what you can do to help promote the separation fo church and state.

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