Aren't Blackwater, Dyncorp and Wackenhutt contractors for the US Dept. of State? I know 90% of BW's contracts come from them. Best Buy gets zero funding from the government.

I see a pattern.

If you are interested in private sector brutality, Best Buy is probably a blind alley. I'd recommend instead looking into private mercenary firms like Blackwater, Dyncorp and Wackenhutt.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^Yogi:
Umm I wouldn't call that a "dumb comment" I'd call it an uncharacteristically honest comment. It's like saying we can't stop starting wars with helpless countries, because it's too profitable.

So, the Iraq and Afghanistan missions will start turning a profit sometime soon?

It already has for the people who matter. Halliburton, Bechtel, Blackwater (Xe). Seriously are people this ignorant about who benefits from these wars?

Oh, right. I forget how simplistic the decision process for American foreign policy was. I was under the mistaken belief that there were a multitude of interdependent and complicating factors involved.

There's other factors of course but the important one is does this benefit the owners of the society. I mean doesn't that make sense?


No, the notion of a society's owners within a democratic nation doesn't make particularly strong sense to me.

Halliburton made a fortune off American government contracts, thanks to the decisions of their former VP as the American VP. Of course that is significant.

The attacks of 9/11 happened shortly before the decision to go to war in Afghanistan. Was that not just as, dare I say more, significant?

>> ^bcglorf:

>> ^Yogi:
>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^Yogi:
Umm I wouldn't call that a "dumb comment" I'd call it an uncharacteristically honest comment. It's like saying we can't stop starting wars with helpless countries, because it's too profitable.

So, the Iraq and Afghanistan missions will start turning a profit sometime soon?

It already has for the people who matter. Halliburton, Bechtel, Blackwater (Xe). Seriously are people this ignorant about who benefits from these wars?

Oh, right. I forget how simplistic the decision process for American foreign policy was. I was under the mistaken belief that there were a multitude of interdependent and complicating factors involved.


There's other factors of course but the important one is does this benefit the owners of the society. I mean doesn't that make sense?

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^Yogi:
Umm I wouldn't call that a "dumb comment" I'd call it an uncharacteristically honest comment. It's like saying we can't stop starting wars with helpless countries, because it's too profitable.

So, the Iraq and Afghanistan missions will start turning a profit sometime soon?

It already has for the people who matter. Halliburton, Bechtel, Blackwater (Xe). Seriously are people this ignorant about who benefits from these wars?


Oh, right. I forget how simplistic the decision process for American foreign policy was. I was under the mistaken belief that there were a multitude of interdependent and complicating factors involved.

>> ^bcglorf:

>> ^Yogi:
Umm I wouldn't call that a "dumb comment" I'd call it an uncharacteristically honest comment. It's like saying we can't stop starting wars with helpless countries, because it's too profitable.

So, the Iraq and Afghanistan missions will start turning a profit sometime soon?


It already has for the people who matter. Halliburton, Bechtel, Blackwater (Xe). Seriously are people this ignorant about who benefits from these wars?

The idiots at freedomain couldn't answer my questions and blocked me. I'm guest_14d3.

[20:20:52] Guest_14d3:
Had a question about anarchy. Any takers?
[20:21:42] Noesis to Guest_14d3:
I'm at least willing to listen.
[20:22:09] Guest_14d3:
How is an anarchy enacted or enforced?
[20:22:38] Guest_14d3:
What's to stop corporations from swooping in and taking control?
[20:22:41] aelephant:
Anarchy is enacted and enforced voluntarily.
[20:22:48] senorbuzco to Guest_14d3:
corporations
[20:22:51] Noesis to Guest_14d3:
So you haven't listened to Stefan's podcasts, or watched his videos, or read his books, then?
[20:22:54] aelephant:
De-centralization of authority.
[20:22:57] senorbuzco to Guest_14d3:
are legal fictions created and maintained by governments
[20:23:25] aelephant:
What's to stop you from punching me? I might punch you back.
[20:24:07] Guest_14d3:
Say a corporation comes and takes your property? Who is to stop them?
[20:24:23] senorbuzco to Guest_14d3:
who is to stop them now lol
[20:24:25] aelephant:
You could arm yourself and practice self-defense.
[20:24:34] Guest_14d3:
The state stops them now.
[20:24:39] aelephant:
You could hire out your self-defense to a protection agency.
[20:24:40] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
my property would be covered with land mines
[20:24:51] senorbuzco to Guest_14d3:
corporations are created by governments
[20:24:52] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
and preferably id like to have a gatling gun
[20:24:57] aelephant to Guest_14d3:
But who stops the government from taking your property?
[20:25:14] senorbuzco to aelephant:
IMMINENT DOMAIN
[20:25:22] Guest_14d3:
The corporation hires blackwater to demine your home and disable your weaponry. What do you do now?
[20:25:58] senorbuzco to Guest_14d3:
sooooo how is this different from right now?
[20:26:02] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
where is the cooperation getting fiunding for this?
[20:26:16] Guest_14d3:
The state protects private property. Are you unaware of this?
[20:26:19] aelephant to Guest_14d3:
Why is the corporation willing to pay Blackwater so much to demine my home and disable my weaponry (at considerable threat to their own life and limb)?
[20:26:45] aelephant to Guest_14d3:
The state has no duty to protect. Are you unaware of this?
[20:26:51] Guest_14d3:
Also, if your contention is that your system offers no benefit over the current one, then why are you pushing for it?
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[20:27:03] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
you're basically saying "once you replace government with government, what happens?"
[20:27:15] Guest_14d3:
The state protects private property. To pretend otherwise is dishonest.
[20:27:28] aelephant to Guest_14d3:
That is not what the courts have ruled.
[20:27:33] senorbuzco to Guest_14d3:
ever heard of imminent domain
[20:27:35] senorbuzco to Guest_14d3:
or taxes
[20:27:42] Guest_14d3:
How is anarchy enforced. What is to stop the super rich from taking control?
[20:27:52] aelephant to Guest_14d3:
D.C.'s highest court [said] that it is a "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen."
[20:27:55] senorbuzco to Guest_14d3:
the super rich USE THE STATE to take control
[20:27:57] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
because they'd go broke
[20:28:30] aelephant to Guest_14d3:
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/kasler-protection.html
[20:28:41] Guest_14d3:
True, the Rich use the state, but only because they are forced to. Without the state as a middle man, their power would be limitless.
[20:29:04] aelephant to Guest_14d3:
Not at all. The State makes the wealth of the rich much more powerful than it otherwise would be.
[20:29:28] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
whoa, i never thought of it like that before
[20:29:29] aelephant to Guest_14d3:
In an anarchic society $100,000 buys you $100,000 worth of goods
[20:29:35] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
i have to rethink this whole anarchy thing
[20:29:44] aelephant to Guest_14d3:
In a Statist society, $100,000 might buy you a politician
[20:29:48] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
you're making great points
[20:29:51] aelephant to Guest_14d3:
and all of the power that comes along with that
[20:30:43] aelephant to Guest_14d3:
read this brah: praxeology.net/invisible-hands-and-incantations.pdf
[20:30:59] Guest_14d3:
Not at all? You have no idea how things would play out in an anarchy?
[20:31:27] Guest_14d3:
So, say Capitalcorp takes your land by force. What do you do?
[20:31:49] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
whose paying capitalcorp money?
[20:31:56] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
who's*
[20:31:59] Guest_14d3:
Customers.
[20:32:03] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
why?
[20:32:10] aelephant to Guest_14d3:
Why would Capitalcorp take my land by force? I will kill any Capitalcorp agents who come onto my property with the intent of seizing it.
[20:32:36] Guest_14d3:
Capital corp has a private army and they murder you and your family and take your land. What happens then?
[20:32:46] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
game over
[20:32:51] Guest_14d3:
Exactly.
[20:32:56] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
they get to the final level
[20:33:16] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
they beat the world
[20:33:42] Guest_14d3:
They beat the world, indeed.
[20:33:55] aelephant to Guest_14d3:
why would Capitalcorps army be willing to put their life and limb on the line to take my property?
[20:34:25] Guest_14d3:
Because it sits atop some kind of valuable natural resource.
[20:34:38] Guest_14d3:
You are dancing around the question.
[20:34:58] Guest_14d3:
Who is to stop them from taking your land and killing your family?
[20:35:10] senorbuzco to Guest_14d3:
remeber when i said that corporations are created and maintained by governments, and then you ignored that forever
[20:35:23] senorbuzco to Guest_14d3:
cuz i do
[20:35:28] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
who's to stop me from taking your land right now and killing your family?
[20:35:37] Guest_14d3:
So, corporations would 'voluntarily' disband?
[20:35:43] Guest_14d3:
I don't get your point.
[20:35:55] senorbuzco to Guest_14d3:
WHY DO COPROATIONS EXSIST AND HAVE POWER
[20:35:56] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
when companies dont provide a service they go broke
[20:35:57] senorbuzco to Guest_14d3:
THE FUCKING STATE
[20:36:11] senorbuzco to Guest_14d3:
THE STATE THAT TAXES ME
[20:36:17] senorbuzco to Guest_14d3:
AND GIVE IT TO CORPORATIONS
[20:36:19] senorbuzco to Guest_14d3:
AND THEIR BEHEST
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[20:37:04] Guest_14d3:
You don't think a large business could sustain itself without a government?
[20:37:07] Guest_14d3:
Why is that?
[20:37:29] Guest_14d3:
As long as they turn a profit, they can do as they please.
[20:37:32] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
Do yu listen to the fdr podcasts?
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[20:37:37] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
you*
[20:38:36] Guest_14d3:
What leads you to believe big business is not self sufficient?
[20:38:46] senorbuzco to Guest_14d3:
subsidies
[20:38:47] senorbuzco to Guest_14d3:
lol
[20:38:55] senorbuzco to Guest_14d3:
TAXES
[20:39:11] Guest_1746:
that doesnt make sense
[20:39:19] Guest_14d3:
How so?
[20:39:31] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
Do you listen to the fdr podcasts?
[20:39:48] Guest_14d3:
Exxon Mobile makes billions. They have a product that we cannot live without. They don't need the government to survive.
[20:39:58] Guest_14d3:
Not interested in the podcasts.
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[20:40:15] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
In that case, I'm blockin ya
[20:40:20] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
Show ya how anarchy works
[20:40:21] Stephen C to Guest_14d3:
Bye
[20:40:29] Guest_14d3:
put your fingers in your ears.
[20:40:47] Guest_14d3:
Wouldn't want to question your pre conceived notions.

No violence/fear/worship, etc. if we don't teach it? ... I find 90% of this video absurd and delusional, and the other 10% ripped from Buddhism and Communism.

Accidents happen! Anger is natural! Empathy is not equally distributed in all people! People desire, and have various levels of greed and selfishness! etc.

Beyond a Borg-like, distributed collective consciousness, I can see no possible way that humans will ever "overcome" the concept of organizing themselves into societies in which certain people play certain roles, both in private/commercial/industrial and communal/societal/governmental ways. And @vaporlock brings up the excellent point that once completely unshackled the greed of anonymous private industry investors WOULD essentially be the new government. To go totally dystopian on you, what would stop wars being fought between Walmart-Blackwater LLC and Exxon-Aegis Defense Services Inc. for your city and its resources?


Anti-Statism, just another religion?

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

Those wars were fought for two major reasons, neither had anything to do with freedom.
1) Profit for Big Oil, Military/Weapons Industry, Halliburton, Blackwater and other corporations friendly to Bush and Cheney.
2) To raise the deficit to justify cutting social services that don't directly benefit corporations.
There will be no freedom till we get corporations out of our government.

>> ^MarineGunrock:
Can someone please fucking tell me why I've been in TWO fucking wars that were supposed to be about our FREEDOM, yet crazy shit like this happens? Where the fuck are those freedoms that I was supposedly fighting for?!

Knowing that every single person that's ever flown in the past few years LOATHES the TSA, why has nothing on the federal level happened to look into it? Some kind of study of new security measures vs. dangerous items confiscated? And I'm not talking about a fucking pair of tweezers. I mean guns, bombs and that shit.


I agree with your points, though Ben & Jerry's Inc. isn't scanning the bodies of little children at the airport. The government is. Blame deserves to be levied on the corrupted as well as the corrupters.

Those wars were fought for two major reasons, neither had anything to do with freedom.

1) Profit for Big Oil, Military/Weapons Industry, Halliburton, Blackwater and other corporations friendly to Bush and Cheney.
2) To raise the deficit to justify cutting social services that don't directly benefit corporations.

There will be no freedom till we get corporations out of our government.


>> ^MarineGunrock:

Can someone please fucking tell me why I've been in TWO fucking wars that were supposed to be about our FREEDOM, yet crazy shit like this happens? Where the fuck are those freedoms that I was supposedly fighting for?!

Knowing that every single person that's ever flown in the past few years LOATHES the TSA, why has nothing on the federal level happened to look into it? Some kind of study of new security measures vs. dangerous items confiscated? And I'm not talking about a fucking pair of tweezers. I mean guns, bombs and that shit.

Police brutality is like soldiers going ape-shit and shooting people they're not supposed to. It's not that it's private or statist, but rather it's individuals that break and weren't fit for the job.

What needs to be done, is to make incitements for better people to want to become officers. There are different ways to do this; raise the pay, higher entry demands on education/other tests, bonuses payed on "good behavior" stuff like that. Fully privatizing the police force is not a good idea, I think (*memories of blackwater*) since they are a basic brick of the society, keeping law and order. I want many things privatized, but emergency stuff I don't. Fire department, ambulances, police all that jazz should be covered by the state, since they are indispensable and we cannot allow "we went bankrupt" to make us lose lives for whatever reason.

Think of a privatized fire department that fails to show up because they went bankrupt the night before... very bad idea right there.

>> ^Stormsinger:

In all fairness, nothing in this piece provides any evidence of wrongdoing. Security firms are always hiring out to various corporations...that's pretty much the very definition of their business. The fact that their clientele consists in large part of corporations with reputations for amoral behavior is really not terribly relevant.


Yes...however Blackwater is a criminal organization with lots of Iraqi and even US soldiers blood on it's hands.

>> ^radx:

Hah! Monsanto, Chevron, Deutsche Bank ... what an illustrious circle.
long


I don't know, but Monsanto always sounds like a seedy porn movie to me.

>> Why Isn’t This A Real Company?


i think it's called blackwater

Canada uses socialized health care... and I haven't had a single issue with it.
Long waits? Mostly propoganda from health insurance companies
Quality of care? No problem with that either... and if we did have issue with that, there is nothing stopping us from going to another Canadian hospital or even going the privatized route

What does it get us?
- cheaper prescriptions
- never turned away due to lack of insurance

Is it perfect? No, of course not... thats why we work on it and try to improve it...
But to assume free market economics will mean you aren't getting swindled is naive... I'd rather have to deal with a government whom i can vote in and out of power, than a corporation who's MAIN goal is to turn a profit, who's got its finger into government, and can hide behind the law (which is slanted to favor them)

The government wouldn't try to give me the least amount of health care possible... because in our system, our people still hold our government accountable... sorta like the US says it does but never follows through on...

Unless of course it involves a president, aide, and a cigar.

The problem is the average American doesn't see their government as themselves... but as a separate entity. No oversight and no control over. We don't see it that way. Sure we have corrupt officials, but for some reason we seem to hold them accountable more than our friends south of the border.

Would you want privatized police... Blackwater would probably be interested in that.
How about fire departments? "We'll need a deposit before we show up. Hope your insurance covers more than just the cost of the fire department showing up."