AND.... This is why I don't shop at Walmart. Even on Consumer holidays like black friday. The choice doesn't exist with the workers looking for jobs. The choice exists for us as consumers where we decide to spend our money. Change will happen in the wage distribution when we decide to not shop at supercenters like Walmart or Target. I am willing to admit that the decision that I have made to not shop there hasn't been easy and has cost me some extra money (5% more overall) over the last decade, but I have the confidence that I am doing a miniscule part to change how things are.

This ends on a positive note so not too dark really. Just a tale of hatred towards consumerism.

Our social contract with government changes in the same way that the Apple Terms of Service changes. No way to back out of it and live a life of remote peace... SPEND.. YOUR. MONEY. Taxes, shmaxes, there's no more better judge of WASTING your goddamn money than your own judgement.

Sir, you are at risk of not spending every last fucking dime at Walmart. Or Target. Or Best Buy. Do you want your economy to be destroyed? Your leaders have already given up on you, so this is your last chance before monetary disciplinary action.

But getting trampled to death in a black friday savings riot does not represent risk because the true risk that matters in this world is the risk of assholes not getting your money.

Because fuck you if you don't want to be part of the dogpile.

How far do we have to go before we say ENOUGH to Black Friday deals?

I am only about 1 1/2 hr drive to the US border and have crossed over to do Black Friday shopping in the past, but over the past couple of years, Canadian retailers have started offering Black Friday deals as well (to keep Canadians in Canada I guess). It's not nearly as crazy as it is in the US though, it hasn't really caught on here yet. I didn't get out to the stores this year but I did buy some electronics online. Online shopping is the best - especially when shipping is free!

Thanks chic! In Canada we celebrate Thanksgiving in October...but it WAS happy. I hope you had a great Thanksgiving yesterday...and if you did any Black Friday shopping today I hope you got some good deals!

You know, if this data was just being used to hunt terrorists (or 'enemies of the state') that would be one thing, a horrendous thing, but still in some realms defensible.

But they're not even trying to use the data exclusively to hunt bad guys. Brazilian ministers had their e-mail hacked and leaked to companies competing in a bidding process to give those companies an inside track. The NSA and other first world surveillance agencies are giving away corporate espionage to friends of their respective governments.

The concern used to be whether the system could be abused. Then it was whether it would be abused. Now we know it's being abused, but nobody cares because it's Black Friday.

Buy Buy Buy!

i ran a rather succesful pizza franchise for a while. i was quite generous with my pay and even in a low-mid income pizza store, i could easily afford to pay $15/hr to all my staff (of 20). Tim Hortons (canada) sells enough volume of coffee at roughly $2 a cup (plus other things) to afford starting wages of $11/hr in my town (plus benefits like basic health care stuff/drug palns blah blah blah) and pay/hour only goes up from there.

big corps have the margins to support this, in theory based on experience, for most low level income areas (10-15k sales a week) have a 10-15% proft margin. thats a week. once the mortgages and other build loans are paid, a business runnings expenses half. and that margin doubles. so in practice, most major fast food chains could easily afford to pay more and the only people who suffer most is the top level. they would raise prices to make the same yearly income. so, yes, an economy could sustain and only really gain from paying its own employees more. happy employees at home means less drama and stress related "mishaps" (food industry is very stressful) in the kitchen, would in theory benefit the company.

primarily, the only real people to suffer is the top level. the guys that skim the left over (profit margin) after expenses are paid.

if a company raised its prices because its employees wanted more wages, and they actually did pay them more and treated them better, i would shop there more often as that is a business i want to succeed. but thats another issue altogether to discuss is the need for people to spend as little as possible, making places like walmart and black friday sales so succesful. in part, we are to blame for what is happening, but we do not ask those companies to treat their staff the way they do to achieve this goal.

um, also good for them, most of those franchises lost thousands in one day due to loss of sales. so remember that if you think this wasn't successful.

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There's a Black Friday joke in there somewhere.

Best I can do is tell you that the front page has a vid called "Black Friday 2012 Fights At Wal Mart Over Phones" and popping out the chat shows a comment by Charliem, saying something about savages.

The comment is half the size of the speech bubble for me.

Just what kind of phucking phone are they phighting phor? This is the reason why I hate Black Friday. Next time, Wal-mart should just employ explosives in place of those products... as soon as the door opens... BOOM!

looks like the Sandisk logo on sandisk mp3 player screens...

probably not a coincidence since it is sand on a disk

I noticed that cause I recently bought 10 4 gig Sansa clip zip mp3 players on black friday for next to nothing at newegg. and all their boot up logo on the screen does this exact shape and color scheme.

very cool

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