House DOESNT pass ban on torture and waterboarding

In a 222-199 vote, the House today passed the FY2008 Intelligence Authorization bill, which bans waterboarding and confines the CIA “to the interrogation tactics permitted by the Army Field Manual on Human Intelligence Collector Operations. Rep. Jerrold Nadler’s (D-NY) remarked, “[This] means no more torture, no more waterboarding, no more clever wordplay, no more evasive answers, no more dishonesty.” Watch it:
Farhad2000says...

I knew it was too good to be true... From ThinkProgress...


Yesterday, the House passed a bill that bans waterboarding and holds the CIA “to the interrogation tactics permitted by the Army Field Manual on Human Intelligence Collector Operations.” President Bush has said he would veto the bill.

But he may not get the opportunity. Earlier today, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) placed a hold on the Senate version of the bill, blocking it from coming to a vote. He said the bill was “ill-advised” and would “destroy” a “lawful” program:

The Senate was prevented from voting on the intelligence bill because Sen. Lindsay Graham, R-S.C., placed a hold on it while the GOP procedural challenge goes forward.

“I think quite frankly applying the Army field manual to the CIA would be ill-advised and would destroy a program that I think is lawful and helps the country,” Graham said in an interview.

Graham’s effort to protect Bush’s torture policies directly contradicts his recent anti-torture rhetoric. Just this week, Graham raked Brigadier General Thomas W. Hartmann, the legal adviser at Guantanamo Bay, over the coals for refusing to call waterboarding torture, even if done by Iranian “secret security agents” on an American pilot.

Given his record, the gap between Graham’s rhetoric and his legislative action isn’t altogether surprising.

In October, Graham hinted that he might oppose Michael Mukasey’s nomination unless he said waterboarding was illegal. But after Mukasey continued to refuse to explicitly call waterboarding torture, Graham reneged and helped push Mukasey through the Senate.

So, despite the fact that Graham believes a person doesn’t need “a lot of knowledge about the law” to know that waterboarding “violates” [the] Geneva Convention,” he is now blocking efforts to outlaw the CIA’s use of it.


You heard it? The Politicians know better then the uniformed forces and the intelligence community...

choggiesays...

Well, guess what, legal is legal when the sleeping masses say no....silence gives consent, and in our paradigm, the players are polished......and the apathy, served cold in every home, bar, and theater...Fuck the Dumbshits!
You folks who scream foul??? Your parents let it happen, and you cry the alternative, like Bolshevik blueprints.....this path is a mirror of the predictable recent past.

This beast has many, many heads-pointing fingers is as effective- considering the lack of information, as chasing a fly down with a Popsicle stick....

the "banning" of water boarding represents the ripping off of a band-aid, from a sucking chest wound.....

So fuck all the snide comments that will follow, about who did what and why to who......

9058says...

Nothing snide for you choggie, in a way i sadly have to agree with you. The people dont care, they'll will bitch and moan but in the end do nothing and now the system is taking the power of the people away to where when the day comes that we have had enough and are ready to do something, that option will be long dead

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