hmm... just realizing how easily annoyed I am by most student protesters.

... its like they want to be seen as trying, but are not quite that into it to actually help organize anything worth two shits.

good post, thanks for the insight

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1. Most of the time squads are ordered not to carry batons because they inflict mortal wounds and casualties. So they have to do with shields, tear gas. and water hoses.

2. This is also because Korea has had a violent history of firing guns onto protesters back in the 1980's when President Jeon Doo-Hwan led a military coup to take over the government. And while in power (1980-1988) he ordered his army to shoot down student protesters with tanks and army men.

Since then (which is still within last 20 years), civilian casualty is considered a trademark of a tyrant. Hence no guns, no batons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwangju_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chun_Doo-hwan

3. Korean protesters usually don't expect or WANT a peaceful solution until the end of conflict. And they're not afraid to fight, since KNOWING that the police will try to avoid inflicting casualties as much as possible. Police can fight back only when they are attacked first and are in danger of being injured themselves. That's why protesters always gets to taunt the police, because if they do show any kinds of harsh abuse, that goes right on to the front page news with the bold letters saying 'POLICE BRUTALITY' or 'TYRANNICAL SOCIETY'. They also usually have 'all or nothing' mentality, and are not willing to negotiate. Only when they are arrested and defeated they usually calm down and start talking.

4. This is also to demonstrate 'what they're capable of'. The longer they put up with this charade, 'stronger' their voice gets. In their mentality, the stronger you prove yourself to be, the more likely the government would listen to you, because now they have have an edge in negotiation, threatening them that they'll just go back to the streets and riot again, causing as much damage as long as possible. So they almost always put up a fight, trying to never shying away from using force.

1. Most of the time squads are ordered not to carry batons because they inflict mortal wounds and casualties. So they have to do with shields, tear gas. and water hoses.

2. This is also because Korea has had a violent history of firing guns onto protesters back in the 1980's when President Jeon Doo-Hwan led a military coup to take over the government. And while in power (1980-1988) he ordered his army to shoot down student protesters with tanks and army men.

Since then (which is still within last 20 years), civilian casualty is considered a trademark of a tyrant. Hence no guns, no batons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwangju_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chun_Doo-hwan

But also they consider this man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Chung-hee a national hero, who did the exact same thing, but in early years)

3. Korean protesters usually don't expect or WANT a peaceful solution until the end of conflict. And they're not afraid to fight, since KNOWING that the police will try to avoid inflicting casualties as much as possible. Police can fight back only when they are attacked first and are in danger of being injured themselves. That's why protesters always gets to taunt the police, because if they do show any kinds of harsh abuse, that goes right on to the front page news with the bold letters saying 'POLICE BRUTALITY' or 'TYRANNICAL SOCIETY'. They also usually have 'all or nothing' mentality, and are not willing to negotiate. Only when they are arrested and defeated they usually calm down and start talking.

4. This is also to demonstrate 'what they're capable of'. The longer they put up with this charade, 'stronger' their voice gets. In their mentality, the stronger you prove yourself to be, the more likely the government would listen to you, because now they have have an edge in negotiation, threatening them that they'll just go back to the streets and riot again, causing as much damage as long as possible. So they almost always put up a fight, trying to never shying away from using force.

Too bad the American system of checks and balances is now under siege by an administration that believes its above congress and above the law.

20,000 students protested in Venezuela against plans hatched by Hugo Chavez.

These students' should take some notes from French student protests. They fought for what they wanted and prevailed.

It's funny that Seeknowsage went on a down vote rampage on my queued videos because I offered a differing opinion from the norm. That's childish mate.

First of all don't go comparing Tiananmen Square, where students protested an oppressive Communist regime and were shot at indiscriminately by government forces to a student who refused to leave the premises because he did not have his IDentification in America's paranoid post 9/11 world of Terror watch.

Second of all, I said this was excessive use of force, in terms of the equipment used Tasers are used because they are cheap and don't require extensive training. While I agree with rembar that joint locks would be great, that would require time and training on Jack Bauer levels something I don't think there is funding or initiative for.

Third, it's easy to scream and shout about all these abuses but it's funny how no one ever screams and shouts about how the authority to carry out these actions never garner the same attention. Yeah am talking Patriot Act, Patriot Act II, Heabus Corpus, NSA tapping, CIA prisons and Guantanamo Bay. America has been pushed to the brink of paranoia, I was baffled at the coverage Fox News, CBS, NBC, all of them offered in terms of news event - just pure fear mongering... I mean Killer Africanized Bees, Blades in Apples, Anthrax, Yellow/Pink/Blue alert... Sheesh...

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