>> ^Trancecoach:

ad hominem will get you everywhere... while I play the tiniest violin for you and Dr. deGrasse-Tyson...


Dude you didn't WIN anything here stop trying to take the high road, you're not smart enough to understand what in the hell he's even talking about.

ad hominem will get you everywhere... while I play the tiniest violin for you and Dr. deGrasse-Tyson...

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^Trancecoach:
Very quaint. Too bad life doesn't work that way.
Like, at all.>> ^Yogi:
>> ^Trancecoach:
Still -- we got plenty of problems on this planet to work out before we continue exporting our junk, waste, and pollution to other planets and the intervening spaces. Seems like we need to get our own house in order before we start pouring the foundation for a new one...

What if our galvanizing our educational system as a result of our space exploration leads to changes in how we power everything? What Neil is talking about is changing everything, a small push that leads to a dramatic shift in everything. Suddenly because we put our minds to it and it's necessary for space travel we have Cold Fusion. We have weather machines, we have clean waste disposal. A world where technology and science works towards a specific goal but has a multitude of other effects.
You can basically draw any sort of technological advances we've had in the 20th century and point it towards our government and NASA working towards something else. Why don't we try doing it again...seriously it doesn't even cost that much as he points out.


It did work that way is what I and Mr. deGrasse-Tyson is saying. Please though dismiss any counter idea by calling it "quaint" doesn't make you seem like a douchebag at all.

>> ^Trancecoach:

Very quaint. Too bad life doesn't work that way.
Like, at all.>> ^Yogi:
>> ^Trancecoach:
Still -- we got plenty of problems on this planet to work out before we continue exporting our junk, waste, and pollution to other planets and the intervening spaces. Seems like we need to get our own house in order before we start pouring the foundation for a new one...

What if our galvanizing our educational system as a result of our space exploration leads to changes in how we power everything? What Neil is talking about is changing everything, a small push that leads to a dramatic shift in everything. Suddenly because we put our minds to it and it's necessary for space travel we have Cold Fusion. We have weather machines, we have clean waste disposal. A world where technology and science works towards a specific goal but has a multitude of other effects.
You can basically draw any sort of technological advances we've had in the 20th century and point it towards our government and NASA working towards something else. Why don't we try doing it again...seriously it doesn't even cost that much as he points out.



It did work that way is what I and Mr. deGrasse-Tyson is saying. Please though dismiss any counter idea by calling it "quaint" doesn't make you seem like a douchebag at all.

Very quaint. Too bad life doesn't work that way.

Like, at all.>> ^Yogi:

>> ^Trancecoach:
Still -- we got plenty of problems on this planet to work out before we continue exporting our junk, waste, and pollution to other planets and the intervening spaces. Seems like we need to get our own house in order before we start pouring the foundation for a new one...

What if our galvanizing our educational system as a result of our space exploration leads to changes in how we power everything? What Neil is talking about is changing everything, a small push that leads to a dramatic shift in everything. Suddenly because we put our minds to it and it's necessary for space travel we have Cold Fusion. We have weather machines, we have clean waste disposal. A world where technology and science works towards a specific goal but has a multitude of other effects.
You can basically draw any sort of technological advances we've had in the 20th century and point it towards our government and NASA working towards something else. Why don't we try doing it again...seriously it doesn't even cost that much as he points out.

>> ^Trancecoach:

Still -- we got plenty of problems on this planet to work out before we continue exporting our junk, waste, and pollution to other planets and the intervening spaces. Seems like we need to get our own house in order before we start pouring the foundation for a new one...


What if our galvanizing our educational system as a result of our space exploration leads to changes in how we power everything? What Neil is talking about is changing everything, a small push that leads to a dramatic shift in everything. Suddenly because we put our minds to it and it's necessary for space travel we have Cold Fusion. We have weather machines, we have clean waste disposal. A world where technology and science works towards a specific goal but has a multitude of other effects.

You can basically draw any sort of technological advances we've had in the 20th century and point it towards our government and NASA working towards something else. Why don't we try doing it again...seriously it doesn't even cost that much as he points out.

>> ^renatojj:

>> ^deathcow:
Anyone who thinks this money is stupidly spent should be keelhauled. Defense and petroleum sucks those kind of funds from Americans in hours.
Huh, look at that. It seems "less stupid than X" passes as smart these days.
I guess in times of record high unemployment is when we need space exploration spending the most. You know, to boost morale!



"Passes as smart?" thanks

The USA defense budget could pay for this entire Mars mission.... in LESS THAN ONE day. The USA annual defense budget is more than the next 15 highest spending countries combined, and many of those countries are USA allies.

Yet... not the right time to spend any money on scientific efforts. We should probably cancel these stupid Mars programs and give Lockheed/Haliburton another TWELVE HOURS of defense budget. Understood... thanks for schooling me on what smart is. Go Romney?

>> ^deathcow:
Anyone who thinks this money is stupidly spent should be keelhauled. Defense and petroleum sucks those kind of funds from Americans in hours.
Huh, look at that. It seems "less stupid than X" passes as smart these days.

I guess in times of record high unemployment is when we need space exploration spending the most. You know, to boost morale!

>> ^bmacs27:

I think he probably was discussing something to the effect of "it has less scientific purpose or efficiency than robotic exploration of space." I don't think he's ever said anything like "it's too expensive relative to other government programs." He's always been an advocate for an increased science budget. I just think he knows that the scientific reasoning for manned space exploration (especially low earth orbit) is poorly substantiated. It's more like a PR campaign for science funding, and a recruitment tool for kids.
Honestly man, you come across as cynical as anybody on here. I'm sorry if I'm the first to break the news, but there is no Santa Claus.
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^bmacs27:
I find this funny though, because he came out so adamantly against the manned-space program at first. He called it a joy-ride for jocks. Someone must have smacked him around and said, sorry, scientific satellites don't sell, and you're our sales guy. Get with the program.

You really believe that? Jesus there's some cynical fucks on here.



Hey! I didn't give you permission to point out my hypocrisy alright! Just you watch yourself buster.

I think he probably was discussing something to the effect of "it has less scientific purpose or efficiency than robotic exploration of space." I don't think he's ever said anything like "it's too expensive relative to other government programs." He's always been an advocate for an increased science budget. I just think he knows that the scientific reasoning for manned space exploration (especially low earth orbit) is poorly substantiated. It's more like a PR campaign for science funding, and a recruitment tool for kids.

Honestly man, you come across as cynical as anybody on here. I'm sorry if I'm the first to break the news, but there is no Santa Claus.
>> ^Yogi:

>> ^bmacs27:
I find this funny though, because he came out so adamantly against the manned-space program at first. He called it a joy-ride for jocks. Someone must have smacked him around and said, sorry, scientific satellites don't sell, and you're our sales guy. Get with the program.

You really believe that? Jesus there's some cynical fucks on here.

I missed it on the first viewing, but they have themselves some neptunium! Neptunium 237 is essential in the productions of plutonium 238. Unlike its brother plutonium 239 used in nuclear weapons, plutonium 238 is used for deep space exploration in RTG units. RTGs are the reason we can go beyond the asteroid belt! The curiosity rover will also be using an RTG as they are much more reliable than solar cells, especially on a notoriously dusty planet like mars.

Space exploration? Submarines? Airplanes?

>> ^lantern53:
"First President to violate the War Powers Act."

"First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S., including those with criminal convictions."

"First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN)."

"First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory."
^ None of your points state the reasons for why these things did or needed to or shouldn't have occurred. There's more to situations than just the short points you wish to convey. Without the background to define the value of such actions/decisions, you and the video are both presenting one-sided views for preferred agendas.

>> ^lantern53:
First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

^ A number of your points seem to be strategically vague. Example above, it wouldn't have been difficult to state which law you refer to, or to include a link for additional info.

>> ^lantern53:
First President to terminate America's ability to put a man in space.
^ This is not what has happened. They're spreading the capability of space exploration to the private sector to reduce costs so NASA can focus its costs on other technology advancement and space exploration projects. This in no way conveys that American Astronauts will not be going back to space. Also worth noting that you don't have to work for NASA to be an American in space.
Don't get me wrong, i was disappointed to hear the cancellation of the 2020 moon mission as well, but the reasons for it are mostly 'building other foundations for exploration and spreading the costs'.. also this doesn't mean there couldn't be a revisit later down the track once better technologies are at hand.
Personally i think it's a good idea to have private sectors taking some of the cost burden away, as they will help to advance additional new space exploration technologies that NASA could also use for later moon, Mars etc missions.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8489097.stm
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/beyondearth/explore.html

>> ^lantern53:
First President to go on multiple global 'apology tours'.
^ This one is taking the mickey isn't it? Under the last President and Vice-President, the US quite effectively caused concern to a large portion of the rest of the world with the 'let's go in guns blazing regardless of what others say' position.
Now I'm not saying that's ultimately wrong, indeed in some cases it would be quite right to do so.. what I'm saying is that other countries saw that the USA did not care what the rest of the world had to say in relation to these world-wide matters, which was understandably concerning to some, and the current President was introducing himself to the word leaders in person so they could see that he wasn't war hungry.

>> ^lantern53:
First President to golf 73 separate times in his first two and a half years in office, 90 to date.
^ It's called recreation. If you don't think that the position is stressful enough to require regular relaxation so one can maintain mental stability required to take in lots of information's across many subjects and make difficult decisions, then you should reconsider the differences between what you do, what the President does, and how much time you each sit around doing nothing to advance the country and it's relevant stability.

Cheers for all the points made, good to see another one-sided view to compare to the video's. Makes it easier to asses the value of the contents.

Assessment (at first glace with brief researching): the goods that were done, out weigh the bads.

Well done Obama, keep heading in the direction that looks like you actually care about your citizens.

There's also the problem of defining intelligence. Intelligence can mean many different things although it's generally agreed that it involves the deliberate manipulation of the surrounding environment. Species such as crows, chimps, octopi, etc. have varying degrees of intelligence because they all exhibit problem solving behaviour, sometimes using tools to accomplish this.
This is a very Earth-centric definition of intelligence though.
It's very probable that out there we won't recognize intelligence when we see it. We'll land on a planet looking for intelligent life without realizing that the mossy stuff that we're walking on IS the intelligent life on this planet. Or the gassy bags that drift by in the thin atmosphere that we assume are some sort of primitive animal are, in fact, the intelligent life on this planet.
We assume that other intelligent species will be exploring space just like us. However, they may be thin tendrils that live miles below an ocean with no concept of space. Or, they may be terrestrial but place no priority on space exploration so we may overlook them when we explore their planet.

Geeze @dannym3141, I think you went a bit harsh there on @critical_d... I don't think he was AT ALL saying NOT to do space exploration, but rather it's a bit baffling that there has been so little deep sea exploration. It's entirely conceivable that things will be found down there that can change our life in large ways... some animal that produces some chemical that is a huge boon to science, some animal that changes how we think of biology... a relic of an alien civilisation.

OK, maybe not the last one.

There's more than enough reason to be doing both.