Shiny uses the term "Evolutionists", therefor loses the argument. But, s/he starts from the weakest of grounds to begin with, so it's expected.

The "debate" of science vs religion has been over for ages. I'm not debating that. Just commenting on the dumb terms that creationists have to use to defend their fantasies.

You're right. Other than the beginning and ending editorial on Science vs Religion this is a dupe of http://videosift.com/video/200-Countries-200-Years-in-4-Minutes >> ^shuac:

While I'm in agreement with the title, it doesn't represent the video's content at all.

>> ^Skeeve:
And yet religion has still been responsible for more deaths... fancy that.
>> ^acidSpine:
Men like you built the hydrogen bomb. Men like you thought it up



That makes no sense. Let us look at logic instead of being like the God-believers we assume just don’t understand…

Humanity created what? Oh! That's right! Religion... so in other words, religion has not corrupted humanity but rather humanity has corrupted religion, right? That's logical for many reasons, but the best is because we corrupt everything else.

But that means... human beings have killed, not religion. We simply blame religion because it is the faceless problem. However, religion is the excuse, not the problem! As though fabricated beliefs lead to killing.

Religion leads to war... so get rid of religion and no more war huh?
Skimpy clothes lead to rape...so get rid of loose-dressed women and no more rape.
Wealth leads to robberies...so... you get the point.

Only human ambition, greed, narcissism, and our instinctual need to slay one another are to blame for killing. Religion just makes certain people feel superior when doing it. Religion is powerless because we create it, fabricate it. If we got rid of religion, we would find another reason to keep slaying. We are addicted to killing like a smoker who continues to puff his cancer stick, a fat man who eats his double whoppers, a meth addict, a nymphomaniac, and all the other habits that kill us and that we cannot stop. Period.


If you don't believe in a fairy-tale like god, then stop believing there is a better side to humanity if we could "just leave religion in the past."

And to the person who commented on the "men like you..." say it with me, every man like every other man created the bomb. And by your logic, it was God's plan and will that an automic bomb be made... and by that logic, God made the automic bomb through our hands to murder little babies...

And yet religion has still been responsible for more deaths... fancy that.
>> ^acidSpine:

Men like you built the hydrogen bomb. Men like you thought it up

wasn't meant to whore votes, was meant to express frustration with tomes of babble, on a subject simple to me... like you say gorgon, can't really use some forms of expression to communicate universal truths well-
inna nutshell-I don't ask questions about science vs.religion, atheism vs. theism-tired of folks who do in public....much more pressing matters to attend to on planet earth-(see above verse)

>> ^rottenseed:
That "The simple explanations are probably the right explanations" mentality is awfully archaic and assuming.

In the case of science vs religion though, it does give the edge to science. Let's take one of the big questions: how did this all get here? The universe either came from a physical process which we're growing to understand more and more as we develop better tools and tests, or an all-powerful, inscrutable, invisible supreme being magicked it all into existence. And, you know, made it look otherwise to test us or something.

Ok, that's a bit of a false dichotomy I suppose. Seems appropriate given how oversimplified the subject video is though. I don't think I'd go so far as to use the terrible tag (for the previously mentioned reasons of avoiding really inflammatory material), but creepy is apt.

Oh, and if I'm wrong and there really is an all-powerful being(s) waiting to judge us on whether we believe in him/her/it/them in spite of a complete lack of hard evidence, may they/it/her/him strike Siftbot dead. Nothing personal Sb.

"There many things that neither science or faith can fully explain. And this why spirituality exists. "

Exactly. Spirituality and the religions that extend from it serve to explain that which cannot be explained. In other words it's shit people made up in order to provide explanations, build up their own authority, and control the minds of the masses. Wishful thinking in a pretty package, backed up by closed-loop reasoning.

"I don't believe that religion should exist without science, nor science without religion."

Science vs Religion is an example of the logical fallacy of the false dilemma. They are not mutually exclusive, nor does one require the other.

Religion is completely irrelevant to science. It's about as relevant to science as astrology is to astronomy, or alchemy is to chemistry. Meaning, the only way they are related is that knowledge of science tends to eradicate belief in religion for most people, as science supercedes religion on the hierarchy of rationality. So there is a negative causal relation but no entwinement. Religion can go away completely and science will not suffer one bit.