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You know, Spoco, a lot of people heard explosions on that day.

The 911 commission was warned by Ashcroft and Rumsfeld about their investigation.

Somebody took all of those surveillance camera tapes of the alleged plane hitting the Pentagon and we still haven't seen any of them, save for the one that supposedly proves a plane hit.

I like you, man, but it's not bullshit.

What infuriates me is the people who are just swallowing all of this hook line and sinker without considering all of the variables, not least of which was this: 9/11 gave the Bush administration the reason it needed to invade Iraq, which was one of its primary goals from its first days in office.

Frankly I think that's one of the reasons America is fucked: the people who pulled off 9/11 are still out there, and they'll do something like that again someday, when they need a reason to invade, say, Iran.

I agree this is a very good documentary.
He was the Donald Rumsfeld of the Vietnam war and the Veterans of that day had a deep hatred of this man. He also had a part in the bombing JAPAN during WWII and Cuban Missile crisis.

Truly a must watch documentary.
The full title is "The Fog of War: Eleven Lessons from the Life of Robert S. McNamara"

Here is the IMDB link
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0317910/

Bin Ladin got away because Rumsfeld was an intellectual simpleton.

I still have some sympathy for Maher point of view, but as my kid's Doctor said, "this is a LUXURY question. Most of the world can't afford to debate this issue."

Anyway, my trust issue isn't really 'trust of the Government', It's trust that the Government couldn't be manipulated by corporate interests (eg. Donald Rumsfeld). That being said, science is science so I'll side with the verified facts if you give them to me.

Bush wasn't honest, he was just a pawn of Cheney and Rumsfeld the first three years of the administration.
I like you Paul. I agree with you on a lot of things. However, you're now marrying the war in Iraq with the war in Afghanistan. That mindset helped to initiate Iraqi war. We've killed a lot of Al Queda in Afghanistan and Pakistan since Obama has been in charge. That's a marked improvement from buying them off to fight our shadow villains.

Some things to consider:

The towers had asbestos issues.

The insurance companies were held not liable in a prior to 911 court case for the asbestos removal, people don't realize sections of those towers were to become uninhabitable very shortly for being uninsurable.

Can you imagine the symbol of power to the world in NYC being a uninhabitable empty building?

The office that got hit in the Pentagon was the same office where they were conducting the investigation into the 2.3 trillion missing from the defense department that Rumsfeld announced on Sept 10... no more investigation.

Cheney had bought Dresser Industries in 1998 and that made Halliburton responsible for their asbestos abatement.

Halliburton Pays Dearly but Finally Escapes Cheney's Asbestos Mess

The World Trade Center was also a huge asbestos liability and realistically held very little value due to the overwhelming costs associated with the removal of said asbestos. It's funny how it all ties together, isn't it? http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/003500.php

It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings.

The projected cost to disassemble the towers: $15 Billion. Just the scaffolding for the operation was estimated at $2.4 Billion!

In other words, the Twin Towers were condemned structures. How convenient that an unexpected “terrorist” attack demolished the buildings completely.

WTC Building 7 was a part of the WTC complex, and covered under the same insurance policy. This 47-storey steel-framed structure, which was NOT struck by an aircraft, mysteriously collapsed 8 hours later that same day into its own footprint at freefall speed — exactly in the manner of the Twin Towers.

Halliburton was legally responsible for the WTC's asbestos problems. It would have been fought out in court but Halliburton might lose. They couldn't do a controlled demolition because of the asbestos. Of all the buildings in NYC, this one was the one whose demolition would be most advantageous for the vice president of the United States. And the first responders paid the price, on 911 and later.

To add to the convenience, Silverstein had the towers insured against terrorist attacks so that not only would he get to stop paying for the lease, he would even get most of his down payment back.

He also claimed entitlement to be paid the 3.6 billion insurance sum twice, arguing that the towers were destroyed in two separate attacks. This resulted in a long court battle and resulted in him eventually collecting his billions.

In short, privatizing the lease of the property and making sure all physical evidence was quickly destroyed by recycling the steel allowed Silverstein to collect on the insurance policy instead of having to go through lengthy forensic analysis over who or what really knocked down the towers.

It doesn't prove a conspiracy but is again one of those important coincidences to take place for the whole thing to play out plausibly.

As for building 7, lets keep in mind that all paperwork for SEC investigation of ENRON and WorldCom were destroyed in its collapse, and the cases had to be abandoned. How much that was worth personally or in cold hard cash is up to anyone's guess.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc_payment.html http://www.freewebs.com/inside-man/

I didn't say I believe it. I said I would entertain it. There is a major difference.

If you honestly believe that Dick Cheney, as vice-president, was completely innocent of all wrong doing, I can't have a conversation with you.

The man's actions for the last eight years need to be carefully scrutinized. He ought to be investigated for all sorts of things. No, I don't think you could ever pin something like "he knew about flight 77 in advance" on him. I think you could get him for having assassination squads (i.e. Blackwater/Xe services), I think you can get him for authorizing illegal torture, I think you can get him for lying to the american people about justification for war (and the manufacturing of evidence to support his case), I think you might even be able to get him for profiteering if you look closely enough.

The man is a criminal, and has been since he was riding Tricky's Dick. This is, of course, not to mention the other people I think should be investigated carefully, i.e. Richard Perle, Karl Rove, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and of course the baby Bush.

The real danger of conspiracy theories is the bias their prevalence puts against skepticism of official stories. Fear of association with crazies prevents the rational questioning of our public servants' activities. Therein lies the real danger.

Why? To go to war.

To prepare the ground for the PNAC-like ideas that were circulating in the HardRight, various wealthy individuals and corporations helped set up far-right think-tanks, and bought up various media outlets -- newspapers, magazines, TV networks, radio talk shows, cable channels, etc. -- in support of that day when all the political tumblers would click into place and the PNAC cabal and their supporters could assume control.

This happened with the Supreme Court's selection of George W. Bush in 2000. The "outsiders" from PNAC were now powerful "insiders," placed in important positions from which they could exert maximum pressure on U.S. policy: Cheney is Vice President, Rumsfeld is Defense Secretary, Wolfowitz is Deputy Defense Secretary, I. Lewis Libby is Cheney's Chief of Staff, Elliot Abrams is in charge of Middle East policy at the National Security Council, Dov Zakheim is comptroller for the Defense Department, John Bolton is Undersecretary of State, Richard Perle is chair of the Defense Policy advisory board at the Pentagon, former CIA director James Woolsey is on that panel as well, etc. etc. (PNAC's chairman, Bill Kristol, is the editor of The Weekly Standard.) In short, PNAC had a lock on military policy-creation in the Bush Administration.

But, in order to unleash their foreign/military campaigns without taking all sorts of flak from the traditional wing of the conservative GOP -- which was more isolationist, more opposed to expanding the role of the federal government, more opposed to military adventurism abroad -- they needed a context that would permit them free rein. The events of 9/11 rode to their rescue. (In one of their major reports, written in 2000, they noted that "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor.")

War crimes and rogue behavior are nothing new, they happen in every war. Of course, acting like a barbarian outside of the rules of war is what terrorists aka "insurgents" do. How odd that these Blackwater guys are judged Guilty-In-Advance by the same libmedia hard at work trying to give subhumans caught on battlefields attacking US troops "rights" and legal protections reserved for real soldiers.

Taking a few mercenaries to task is not enough! It's important that all of Christianity be blamed because the accused may or may not consider themselves Christian "holy warriors". The accused could just as easily have believed the enemy were disguised Martians, but there's a huge diff between "Christian crazy" (pure evil!) "Muslim crazy" (not evil, just culturally 'different') and crazy but useful (Olbyloon).

The icing on the cake for the Olbyloon is yet another chance to blame Bush for something, as if Bush or Rumsfeld personally ordered Blackwater to commit war crimes.

Is there a story here? Sure. Is it that the entire Iraqi war was a cover to distract the world from the actions of a few mercenaries who were somehow going to kill all Muslims by themselves?

Anything to take people's minds off the Obama Recession.

I'm sure John has his part to play in all this, but he wasn't the one who made the decision, he was asked to justify it legally. Whether he was successful or not, I feel that it is Cheney, Bush, Rice, and Rumsfeld who really need to be at the forefront of this stuff...

>> ^quantumushroom:


No gay marriage advocates have proved there's "no difference" between the sexes. It is odd that despite never providing any proof of this claim, you still repeat it.
There is no proof that President Obama was born in Kenya, and certainly no proof he is a communist.
Only in Lunatic Fringeland does graduating from Princeton summa cum laude mean you’re a dumbass. I guess then notable conservative Princeton graduates like Samuel Alito, Donald Rumsfeld, David Petraeus, James Baker, Frank Carlucci, George Shultz, John Foster Dulles, Meg Whitman, Malcolm and Steve Forbes, George F. Will and John Stossel must be even bigger dumbasses. Yet Sarah Palin, who needed six years and four different schools just to earn a bachelor's degree and John McCain was fifth from the bottom in his class rank, they are brilliant. NOT!
It is interesting how you so often whine about the lies told by the “liberal MSM”, yet when the rightwingnuts and regressive media tell lies, you gobble it up like they are serving you filet mignon.

Doesn’t it bother you that you are being played for a chump?

>> ^ShakaUVM:
Conservatives that liked President Bush did so despite his neo-conness, not because of it. It just amuses me when people make statements like that, as if there was this tremendous group of "neocons" out there in modern society.

That's the sad truth of the matter.

There weren't a "tremendous group" of self-named Neocons out in society.

There was a small number who had ensconced themselves into the Bush administration, and by way of that, into Rumsfeld's Pentagon.

Doug Feith was one of them. I believe he headed "The Office of Special Plans" which was responsible for one thing: to coerce the government and the media into supporting an invasion of Iraq.

I hate the current U.S. incarceration rate; too many people in prison.
I hate Donald Rumsfeld.
I hate college math prerequisites.
I hate mass ignorance.
I hate Osama Bin Laden.
I hate $60 eighths.
I hate processed food.
I hate sucka emcees.
I hate most people named 'Jason'; unless they go by a nickname or last name.
I hate STDs.
I hate Go-Bots.
I hate this scarf craze women are wearing these days.
I hate celebrity magazines.
I hate PG13.