RFID is a joke. Not this video, but the idea that its secure.

http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/06/hackers-crack-london-tube-oyster-card/

>> ^EndAll:
• Page 132: All citizens will be required to implant an RFID chip
^ Has that been refuted? That's the scariest one of all.


• Page 428: Government mandates AIDS testing on toes and testicles.

>> ^EndAll:
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^ Has that been refuted? That's the scariest one of all.


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• Page 132: All citizens will be required to implant an RFID chip

^ Has that been refuted? That's the scariest one of all.

>> ^12863:
I find it hard to believe that credit card companies would implement a system that would allow me to walk up a busy street with some cheap tech in my backpack and harvest tens or hundreds of credit card numbers and names automatically.
Surely they couldn't be that stupid? Surely they employ at least one person with a voice and a brain to idiot-check their ideas?


They probably did a cost analysis and decided that it would be cheaper to deal with identity theft than to implement decent security.

>> ^Shpydir:
>> ^Shepppard:
I don't like the concept of "Project D"
My generation is basically one of the last to realize the gap between where we've come from, and where we're going. Being born in 89, I grew up with PSX, N64, genesis, ect. but we all knew about the previous consoles, and knew about where it came from.
Kid, I don't mean to sound like a cranky old fart and I kinda see what you're saying, but if you missed the 80's, you don't even know. There were these places called Ar-cades that we used to go to. They were just these whole rooms full of games. You put a token in and then you got to play the game for a bit.
It was nuts.


Well, to be fair, the arcade scene persisted very much into the 90's. Street Fighter 2 was not released until 1991, for instance. In Japan video arcades are still popular. But if you were born in 1989 in the US then you definitely missed a big part of gaming history. I was born in 1981 and I still too young to experience the real start of a gaming culture. I don't know when exactly that was, but Pac Man was released in 1980. Pong was back in 1972 so some old farts could claim that to understand the history of gaming you would need to be alive back then, but I'm skeptical of that.

I played the Atari but I never really liked it. It wasn't until the Nintendo with games like Final Fantasy (1990) that I was drawn into gaming. PC games like King's Quest, Hero's Quest, Sim City (1990), Civilization (1991), and Doom (1993) played just as big a role.

Having spent a fair amount of time hanging out in arcades, I can safely say that I don't miss it at all. I find the idea kind of sleazy, actually -- make children give up their money as fast and reliably as possible, in an environment with minimal parental supervision. PC or console games are so much better because they're not trying to quickly kill you so that you need to put in another quarter. They also have persistence, so you can build your character over many sessions. I've seen some clever Japanese arcade games that accomplish this by synergizing with RFID enabled collectible card games, though.

This is being considered in Massachusetts as well, however it looks like another counter-bill is in the works to make it illegal to install forms of GPS, rfid devices in any vehicles for tax/tracking purposes within the state.

Apparently Obama expressed that he did not support such moves, though as we all know, what a politician says does not matter. What matters is what a politician does. Often their actions are the opposite of their words.

Shove it in my car.. I'll do my best to hack it one way or another. Bet your ass it'll get hacked and become ineffective by someone in short order.

yay. I'm so glad all the new 'secure' stuff is pushing for having these rfid things which are anything but. They even KNOW how full of holes RFID is.

>> ^dag:
I'm not sure RFIDs are the bogeyman that many think. I would love one implanted in my wrist if it took the place of all the cards I now have to lug around.


Be careful what you wish for....

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

I'm not sure RFIDs are the bogeyman that many think. I would love one implanted in my wrist if it took the place of all the cards I now have to lug around.

Well.. you're referring to the old RFID technology.. if you put it into that context then sure you're totally correct. Technology gets modified. Limitations get overcome and to reply to you're quote that the information is not usable by anyone without knowledge of the use of the data: I used to work on some of these systems... it's not like someone can't figure out what the information means. It's not like hackers don't try all kinds of ways to obtain information and decipher the meanings and usefulness of such information. Nooo... these things never occur.. just imagining it we are. LOL

Senator Joe Biden telling Justice Roberts that he'll have to rule on microchips being implanted into American that can track their every movement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTknUumxZ8U



>> ^HollywoodBob:
>> ^Krupo:
Sure, but that's not the issue. People can't suck the money out of your wallet with a remote device if it's in physical form.

As I said, there's no implication how the transaction is handled, so there's no evidence of sucking money out of his wallet. If you know anything about RFID, the data on the device is very small, usually only a 128bit (if that) identification number, an account reference number. So unless someone reading the tag knew exactly what system the account number is on, the information is near worthless.
All my dogs and most of my cats have implant RFID tags. The number they contain is only readable from within inches of the tag, and only means anything if the company that registers the animal is known.
Worrying about possible misuses of RFID only shows how little those concerned actually know about how they work.

>> ^Krupo:
Sure, but that's not the issue. People can't suck the money out of your wallet with a remote device if it's in physical form.


As I said, there's no implication how the transaction is handled, so there's no evidence of sucking money out of his wallet. If you know anything about RFID, the data on the device is very small, usually only a 128bit (if that) identification number, an account reference number. So unless someone reading the tag knew exactly what system the account number is on, the information is near worthless.

All my dogs and most of my cats have implant RFID tags. The number they contain is only readable from within inches of the tag, and only means anything if the company that registers the animal is known.

Worrying about possible misuses of RFID only shows how little those concerned actually know about how they work.

*dark video anyway, even if it's positive. >> ^HollywoodBob:

RFID paranoia is completely ridiculous. Propagated by tin foil hat wearing retards. If you use a debit/credit card you're transactions are no more private than an RFID based consumer card. You can't even expect a cash transaction to be private considering the shear number of stores with security cameras recording everything that goes on in their stores.


Sure, but that's not the issue. People can't suck the money out of your wallet with a remote device if it's in physical form.

There's no implication that there was anything implanted in the guy. I'm sure the system only scanned RFIDs on the products he was purchasing, and possibly a credit card. For all we know the store in the commercial allows people choosing to use that rapid checkout system to sign up for a key fob similar to the "speedpass" that some gas station chains issue, that can be read at that particular chain of stores and only by their systems, with all personal information stored securely at the store's headquarters.

RFID paranoia is completely ridiculous. Propagated by tin foil hat wearing retards. If you use a debit/credit card you're transactions are no more private than an RFID based consumer card. You can't even expect a cash transaction to be private considering the shear number of stores with security cameras recording everything that goes on in their stores.

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