Thank you. That would be my point. Plus, it'd be nice to know what rules he's making; the rules or laws being: good and evil. Both are very contrived definitions and even in the course of the bible the definition changes (which was once a strong point in my understanding of God and being Mormon; you would need a prophet or relay to update "the rules" as time changes, otherwise "the works" would be forever outdated).
But, more to the point on a very simple design layer. What rules in Gods world (this was one I couldn't counter in my Mormon days) are below or above God. Good and Evil seem to be at a priority level above God, as they are "obvious". But, if God made them and controls them that negates ANY reason to have them in the first place, because as I said before they would be contrived values. Which would force me "morally" to not follow God as he seems to blame people on some sort of whimsical basis (Isiah is full of it, for the religious; the old testament is a living breathing example of this in action--constantly). As you said it seems he's schizoid or sociopathic, or both (could have multiple personality disorder, which explains A LOT). On the believing side and from a "Devil's Advocates" view; God seems to have possibly "made up" the Devil. There is very little information on the Devil and Hell. The one reference we have to punishment in Hell talks of burning lakes. The devil himself is almost never described, or attributed; the same as Hell. There's half as much information about the "bad guy" as their is about Jesus. We never even get a quote for or from him, post angelic contributions.
Anyway if evil is a "given" value, even as simple as: doing the opposite of what God wants. That means evil and good are laws on a level above God's control, although he can manipulate it. That shows that even on a fundamental "physics" or "architecture" setup, there are things that are already more powerful than him (such as any law that runs heaven, hell, Earth, God's "nature" (if you can describe it or he can, then it already shows that language is at a higher level as it cannot be communicated otherwise).
Anyway, none of this is factual proof, but a lot of these type of things should be sufficient enough to put the whole idea or question of God of to the side for this life. It should also make you realize that even if you run into a God later on, you should still question ALWAYS; or least you may follow the Devil...


Okay, well, in our ealier discourse I was wondering what bible you were reading since you didn't seem to understand the fundementals. Now, I know..you were reading the mormon bible. Try reading the New Testament sometime, because everything you're talking about is covered there.

First, good and evil are not rules which God is constrained by. They are not some sort of higher (higher than God) principle that dictates Gods behavior. There isn't anything above God. He is the uncaused cause, the eternal cause. There is no one that is a God to Him. He created everything, and not a thing exists that was not made by His will. Good comes from God. The bible says that every good gift is from above, from the Father of Lights. There is no other model or conception of what good is except what God is. The bible says there is no one good, not one. Meaning that all fall short of Gods grace, that all are sinners. Being perfect, nothing could be added to God to make Him more perfect. So, He is the ultimate good of all things. If God did not exist, there would be no such thing as good.

You say you're not sure about what rules we're supposed to live by. Well, we don't need an update for that one. God already told us what rules we should by when He gave us the Ten Commandments. Now, there is a question about the Sabbath, how Christians should observe it, but it still applies. The rules are His law. Being a moral and just God, He created rules which would lead to living a moral life. God Himself is not under His own law, and only sinners would need a law in the first place. There was no law before the fall. Evil is committing a sin. Sinning is defying Gods will.

Now you say there is nothing direct about Devil in the bible. Untrue. The Devil speaks for himself several times in both the Old and the New Testaments. That is why I suggested you read at least the NT. I don't know what is in the Mormon bible but I can assure you that as far as this matter is concerned, it is wholly inaccurate. Now, I also see you accusing God of being evil, or crazy or both. I think, if you have any respect left for God, that you should choose your words with more care. It says in the bible we will account for every idle word that we speak. Do you want to have to explain why you said these things about God to His face? I know I wouldn't..

>> ^bobknight33:

Best song by YES Relayer. Best Album by YES Drama.


Relayer is the album, The Gates of Delerium is the amazing main song from it.

Seems bizarre that Owner of a Lonely Heart is by (almost) the same guys. People who heard this and then checked out some earlier Yes must have gotten quite a shock!

Best song by YES Relayer. Best Album by YES Drama.

>> ^Stormsinger:

>> ^kceaton1:
Anyway, the point I was making at the end is that God has not stopped me from typing my little ditty, because He can't or "does not have that power" so he gives us "Free Will". But, to give me free will in any classical sense means you must deny yourself from action whether you can use it or not...
So he isn't omnipotent. His prescient abilities seem off, again as this post is making it through.
My post is but a window with a shade. If you don't like whats behind the shade, I suggest a change in scenery.

I'll chime in to point out the biggest flaw in the Christian idea that God is both omniscient and omnipotent...you cannot be both without bearing responsibility for every single thing that happens. This is doubly so when you supposedly created every single thing that exists.
If you do so knowing what the outcome would be (which you did, being omniscient), and still refused to make things better (which you could, being omnipotent), but then decide to place the blame on your creations (for doing precisely what you created them to do and knew they would do)...I can think of no other words for that behavior than "evil" or "psychotic".


Thank you. That would be my point. Plus, it'd be nice to know what rules he's making; the rules or laws being: good and evil. Both are very contrived definitions and even in the course of the bible the definition changes (which was once a strong point in my understanding of God and being Mormon; you would need a prophet or relay to update "the rules" as time changes, otherwise "the works" would be forever outdated).

But, more to the point on a very simple design layer. What rules in Gods world (this was one I couldn't counter in my Mormon days) are below or above God. Good and Evil seem to be at a priority level above God, as they are "obvious". But, if God made them and controls them that negates ANY reason to have them in the first place, because as I said before they would be contrived values. Which would force me "morally" to not follow God as he seems to blame people on some sort of whimsical basis (Isiah is full of it, for the religious; the old testament is a living breathing example of this in action--constantly). As you said it seems he's schizoid or sociopathic, or both (could have multiple personality disorder, which explains A LOT). On the believing side and from a "Devil's Advocates" view; God seems to have possibly "made up" the Devil. There is very little information on the Devil and Hell. The one reference we have to punishment in Hell talks of burning lakes. The devil himself is almost never described, or attributed; the same as Hell. There's half as much information about the "bad guy" as their is about Jesus. We never even get a quote for or from him, post angelic contributions.

Anyway if evil is a "given" value, even as simple as: doing the opposite of what God wants. That means evil and good are laws on a level above God's control, although he can manipulate it. That shows that even on a fundamental "physics" or "architecture" setup, there are things that are already more powerful than him (such as *any* law that runs heaven, hell, Earth, God's "nature" (if you can describe it or he can, then it already shows that language is at a higher level as it cannot be communicated otherwise).

Anyway, none of this is factual proof, but a lot of these type of things should be sufficient enough to put the whole idea or question of God of to the side for this life. It should also make you realize that even if you run into a God later on, you should still question ALWAYS; or least you may follow the Devil...

We need enhanced home wifi relay system so that the internet is not in the hands of the evil ones.

Something in a 1k to 2k price range perhaps?

@Tymbrwulf

I pretty much agree with everything you just said. I think the prose you wrote above would make an excellent deface to the preface of the new book I prefaced called, 'Elephants That Became A Morass Relay System That Were "Gored" Into A Multi-Platform Supported Prostitute', written by John C. Dvorak and prefaced by me and your stuff near the back. Right before the end; you'll kindly remind the readers that they read 259 pages of nothing. Literally, (literally) nothing, but THIS (plus our stuff):

"Then on that dissmal day did I look fondly over the barren San Francisco skyline and remembered the quote I had stated so long ago, and evermore..so...truth-worthy now..."
----

'Apple makes the arrogant assumption of thinking that it knows what you want and need. It, unfortunately, leaves the “why” out of the equation — as in “why would I want this?” The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a ‘mouse’. There is no evidence that people want to use these things. I dont want one of these new fangled devices.'

... Everyone can get up off their ass and do something about it if they don't like how our media is run. Scolding Jon Stewart is a waste of energy and time on something that ain't fucking broke.
(said Yogi)


While the U.S electoral system is corrupt and the mainstream media is by practice and format incapable of relaying what's going on around the world. It astonishes me the amount of high quality independent media being created in the States. Being from Canada we really don't have have an equivalent to a show like Democray Now! (this Friday had a great show BTW)

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Enoch my friend, I am sorrowed to relay that the song is a *dupeof http://videosift.com/video/Nightmares-on-wax-Les-Nuits-1999.

Not happy.

Nonetheless, thank you for the turning onto.
>> ^kymbos:

No worries, it was an injustice that just could not stand.
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Crazy. This deserves a promote
thanks man!!



ah well..i feel bad that kymbos wasted a PP.
eklek posted it first which is not surprising,he has an immense archive of obscure music.
i duped it...sighs...

Enoch my friend, I am sorrowed to relay that the song is a *dupeof http://videosift.com/video/Nightmares-on-wax-Les-Nuits-1999.

Not happy.

Nonetheless, thank you for the turning onto.
>> ^kymbos:

No worries, it was an injustice that just could not stand.
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In reply to this comment by kymbos:
Crazy. This deserves a promote
thanks man!!

I have many thanks to relay this day, more than a fair number of them to you my friend.

Thank you geo321.


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Congrats on the bronze!

I didn't even look at the tags so I wasn't even looking for anything. Bought it all right up till the crash, .5sec of shock then laughter. Honestly coolhund its like your trying way to hard.

As for the points about the hud and whatnot, it wouldn't really be that difficult to have a small projector in there that can relay information from some wireless transmitter in the bike. Can't say how practical it would be or anything, just saying its genuinely possible and without wires or any noticeable power supply.

I wonder how he would have reacted if it were his pastor relaying a message from god to kill his kids.

she looked to be relay enjoying herself ....

With all due respect, there are alot of feelings and opinions being expressed here. I sought facts and found this that may be read in its entirety at

<http://www.redstate.com/jeffdunetz/2010/05/31/was-israels-boarding-of-the-gaza-flotilla-a-violation-of-international-law/>

I like facts, especially when legality is at issue.

<According to the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994:

SECTION V : NEUTRAL MERCHANT VESSELS AND CIVIL AIRCRAFT

Neutral merchant vessels

67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;

NOTE: the San Remo Manual is not a treaty, but considered by the ICRC to be reflective of customary law.

Also, on piracy: the definition of piracy under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, section 101, is clear that piracy can only occur where there are “illegal acts of violence or detention” that are “committed for private ends.” Israeli actions were legal under the law of armed conflict (as evidenced by the San Remo Manual) and in any event, were not committed for private ends. Anyone using the term piracy to describe the Israeli action is clearly not aware of international law on the subject.

Here’s the bottom Line:

* A maritime blockade is in effect off the coast of Gaza. Such blockade has been imposed, as Israel is currently in a state of armed conflict with the Hamas regime that controls Gaza, which has repeatedly bombed civilian targets in Israel with weapons that have been smuggled into Gaza via the sea.

* Maritime blockades are a legitimate and recognized measure under international law that may be implemented as part of an armed conflict at sea.

* A blockade may be imposed at sea, including in international waters, so long as it does not bar access to the ports and coasts of neutral States.

* The naval manuals of several western countries, including the US and England recognize the maritime blockade as an effective naval measure and set forth the various criteria that make a blockade valid, including the requirement of give due notice of the existence of the blockade.

* In this vein, it should be noted that Israel publicized the existence of the blockade and the precise coordinates of such by means of the accepted international professional maritime channels. Israel also provided appropriate notification to the affected governments and to the organizers of the Gaza protest flotilla. Moreover, in real time, the ships participating in the protest flotilla were warned repeatedly that a maritime blockade is in effect.

* Here, it should be noted that under customary law, knowledge of the blockade may be presumed once a blockade has been declared and appropriate notification has been granted, as above.

* Under international maritime law, when a maritime blockade is in effect, no boats can enter the blockaded area. That includes both civilian and enemy vessels.

* A State may take action to enforce a blockade. Any vessel that violates or attempts to violate a maritime blockade may be captured or even attacked under international law. The US Commander’s Handbook on the Law of Naval Operations sets forth that a vessel is considered to be in attempt to breach a blockade from the time the vessel leaves its port with the intention of evading the blockade.

* Note that the protesters indicated their clear intention to violate the blockade by means of written and oral statements. Moreover, the route of these vessels indicated their clear intention to violate the blockade in violation of international law.

* Given the protesters explicit intention to violate the naval blockade, Israel exercised its right under international law to enforce the blockade. It should be noted that prior to undertaking enforcement measures, explicit warnings were relayed directly to the captains of the vessels, expressing Israel’s intent to exercise its right to enforce the blockade.

* Israel had attempted to take control of the vessels participating in the flotilla by peaceful means and in an orderly fashion in order to enforce the blockade. Given the large number of vessels participating in the flotilla, an operational decision was made to undertake measures to enforce the blockade a certain distance from the area of the blockade.

* Israeli personnel attempting to enforce the blockade were met with violence by the “protesters” and acted in self defense to fend off such attacks.>

>> ^TheFreak:

So, I'm trying to get the video to play...no luck, go to the dedicated page, still nothing, try refreshing, no go, click around on where the video should be, doesn't help...then it occurrs to me, just how much effort I'm putting into trying to see a video where a girl asks for a finger in her butt. Shame overtakes me as certain realizations set in, that I won't admit to here, and I slink off without watching the video. Well not before pausing to relay my diary entry on this matter to anonymous people on the internet.


If it's that important to you, just look it up in Google Translator?

Or try different browsers (firefox, chrome, IE).