@NetRunner, see, for me it's not about dag's competence as a king or leader. He's the site owner, so I think by default he needs to take an avid and responsible role in the way punishment is doled out.

We don't have a pressing epidemic of "name callers" on here that we must deputize the community to help dag sift through the Sift Raft™. Banning probies and spammers is one thing, but banning actual contributing members shouldn't be a democratic process. It'll just lead to favoritism.

I propose we use hobbling when someone seems to be on the attack. As soon as an admin gets on they can look into the situation and listen to BOTH sides. I'm sure by that point the community will know all about the offense and already be weighing in and doing amateur sleuthing to get the facts. After that temp bans and perm bans would follow.

We've been on a banning spree in the last two weeks or so, and it's not that some of the offenses weren't valid, it's just a bit reactionary to ban people outright. Especially when we're not asking for testimony before walking people off the plank. Hobble them first. Listen to them. Then decide on punishment.

**sigh**

I think that we should all be able to agree on the following...
- The human mind can become very easily confused.
- Vivid hallucinations are a well documented phenomenon.
- There are many things that can impact a persons perception; narcotics, a lack of oxygen, too much oxygen, lack of sleep, some bad pizza before bed, etc.
- Those that are in a fragile or compromised state of mind are more susceptible to certain "experiences".
- In times of stress the human mind can latch onto an idea and cling to that idea like a life raft.
- People can truly believe in what they experienced regardless of any contrary evidence.
- A person can pass a polygraph if they believe in the truth of their answers.
- Just because someone believes that they experienced something it doesn't make it so.

Why is it that if someone has an "experience" that is in any way associated with religion they are pushed forward by supporters of that religion as being validation of their beliefs but if someone has an "experience" that is associated with Elvis, Aliens, or Bigfoot they are deemed to be lunatics? How different is it really to suggest that you were visited by the omnipotent creator of the universe than it is to suggest that you were visited by an intelligent alien life form from a far off planet?

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>> ^NetRunner:

I agree with what you're proposing there. I tend to think we'd have fewer companies as a result, not more, but I do think it'd be more fair overall.


It would be very hard for businesses to get as large as corporations do today without the unfair support of government. This means more competition, and logically as a result more small businesses would sprout up, and therefore more jobs could be created.


>> ^NetRunner:
Well, to be honest the people who do that today just get fired.
I'd like to see people empowered to do that, but in practice that either means a raft of regulatory requirements about what people can be fired for, or strong unionization.
I also hear that the reason CEO's (and managers generally) get paid so much is because they're responsible for whatever happens underneath them, whether they personally did it or not. That was certainly the case for me when I've been in management roles in the past.


I don't see why we'd need regulatory requirements or unionization. Most of the responsibility would be held at the top levels, such as CEOs or COOs or supervisors or whomever. And this can all be decided by some form of conflict resolution whether that be the courts or arbitration. But my point was that people couldn't escape liability just because they're employed. If your boss told you to murder someone, for instance, you know that to be wrong and would hopefully not follow through. But if you did murder someone, obviously you'd be held accountable, right? kind of the same idea. Maybe not exactly, but it's close enough.

If a business spilled oil like BP did, then all the parties involved would be liable within reason. If you were hired to clean the toilets on the rig, then you're probably not going to be responsible in any direct or indirect way. But if you are hired as a professional to do a specific job like supervising the boom or drilling or whatever, and that contributed somehow to the spill, then you're probably going to inherit some substantial responsibility. And I think that's more than fair.

>> ^blankfist:

@NetRunner, I believe corporations are fictitious entities, and I disagree with any limited liability for individuals. Same goes for DBAs, LLCs, etc. As it stands now, you need them to conduct business (I have an LLC for the film out of necessity), but if we systematically transitioned to a market without government sanctioned limitations of liability, then we'd have a better world for individuals to trade freely without some having unfair advantages and subsidies and other welfare.
As for BP, it's corporate law that's currently held them to limited accountability. Without that law, those damaged by the spill could sue those responsible and be redressed.

I agree with what you're proposing there. I tend to think we'd have fewer companies as a result, not more, but I do think it'd be more fair overall.

>> ^blankfist:

Not just the CEO needs to be held accountable, but so does the people involved. It's not good enough to say "I just work here" and move on. I'm not saying the day laborer needs to necessarily shill over money, but certainly when someone purports to be a professional he or she needs to be held responsible for his or her mistakes. This includes people making the decision to drill. If the CEO tells them to drill without the proper booms or whatever, they need to refuse or get some form of indemnification waiver or something. The point is, if a CEO tells you to dump oil in someone's backyard, you'd best know that's not a great idea and you are accountable for your behavior.
What say you on that perspective?


Well, to be honest the people who do that today just get fired.

I'd like to see people empowered to do that, but in practice that either means a raft of regulatory requirements about what people can be fired for, or strong unionization.

I also hear that the reason CEO's (and managers generally) get paid so much is because they're responsible for whatever happens underneath them, whether they personally did it or not. That was certainly the case for me when I've been in management roles in the past.

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>> ^mxxcon:

>> ^ant:
>> ^mxxcon:
>> ^ant:
>> ^mxxcon:
>> ^ant:
bugs

how does this video makes you feel?

Ants are unstoppable.

you know who else can't be drowned? WITCHES!
ANTS ARE WITCHES!!!!! BURN THEM!!!!!!

Witches can be burned with water. You forgot fire ants. They will burn YOU!

MUTANT WITCHES! CRUSH THEIR TINY TESTICLES!


They don't have testicles.

>> ^ant:

>> ^mxxcon:
>> ^ant:
>> ^mxxcon:
>> ^ant:
bugs

how does this video makes you feel?

Ants are unstoppable.

you know who else can't be drowned? WITCHES!
ANTS ARE WITCHES!!!!! BURN THEM!!!!!!

Witches can be burned with water. You forgot fire ants. They will burn YOU!

MUTANT WITCHES! CRUSH THEIR TINY TESTICLES!

>> ^mxxcon:

>> ^ant:
>> ^mxxcon:
>> ^ant:
bugs

how does this video makes you feel?

Ants are unstoppable.

you know who else can't be drowned? WITCHES!
ANTS ARE WITCHES!!!!! BURN THEM!!!!!!


Witches can be burned with water. You forgot fire ants. They will burn YOU!

>> ^ant:

>> ^mxxcon:
>> ^ant:
bugs

how does this video makes you feel?

Ants are unstoppable.


you know who else can't be drowned? WITCHES!
ANTS ARE WITCHES!!!!! BURN THEM!!!!!!

>> ^Shepppard:

>> ^ant:
>> ^mxxcon:
>> ^ant:
bugs

how does this video makes you feel?

Ants are unstoppable.

I'm sure there are a few pairs of boots out there that disagree.



More ants will be born then.

>> ^ant:

>> ^mxxcon:
>> ^ant:
bugs

how does this video makes you feel?

Ants are unstoppable.


I'm sure there are a few pairs of boots out there that disagree.

>> ^mxxcon:

>> ^ant:
bugs

how does this video makes you feel?


Ants are unstoppable.

>> ^ant:

bugs

how does this video makes you feel?

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