Again that doesn't jibe with the text, or his exact words "For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven"
That also contradicts the theory that his death ended the laws....."until heaven and earth pass away" clearly is a different thing from 'until I, Jesus, pass away'.
This is clear that the letter of the laws, not just the spirit of love, are the focus here, and anyone ignoring a single jot will be judged harshly.
In the old testament, those punishments are for failing to live by the specific, set forth rules as written, not failing to live up to some underlying, contradictory, unwritten, hidden message of love behind them.

That's not what the bible says. It's what 3rd parties have told people it says. It also clearly warns about those people....warns against listening to them, and tells you what happens to them....they are called the least, which I interpret to mean considered unworthy of heaven so are sent elsewhere.
It clearly, unambiguously, undeniably tells believers to murder infidels themselves, personally, with rocks. Any other interpretation ignores clearly written specific and detailed instructions in favor of insane mental gymnastics to think " You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God" somehow, inexplicably means 'love and tolerate them with respect and kindness' and not 'go murder them ASAP'.

Evangelicals have never once lived up to your theory of what they believe, they can't even follow the basic golden rule. The respect they demand for their beliefs is never returned to others, in my experience.
Evangelicals in practice usually take the entirety of the Bible as a message telling them they should go out and force others to love their version of God and the righteous, not all people, and without a hint of humility, and that they must accept the grace of their version of God or else are deserving of hatred and damnation.


Edit: As I read it, Jesus said follow every letter of the old laws, but instructed people that he without sin should cast the first stone (that would have been him, wouldn't it?). The old laws said he who casts no stones is committing a horrendous sin and should themselves be stoned to death. Believers somehow don't see the contradiction, while I see nothing but.

my comment was pointed directly at the government,corporations do not create laws.

since you acknowledge the perversion of the rule of law i can only assume you are referring to an idealized memory of said rule,which no longer exists in reality.

so when i read your answer to the question "which side are you on"? it comes across as "the idealized version from beginning of our country".
which,according to your own commentary is pure fiction...it has been perverted.

i actually agree with the tenor and flavor of your comment,i just dont understand choosing a fantasy side when this video draws a pretty clear line in the sand.

this video really touches me for that very reason.incredibly powerful,yet simple message.i love how dolan uses depression era union organizing folk music to accompany his ridicule and disdain for the fake and ineffectual person who thinks wearing a t-shirt or colored ribbon is somehow helping the plight of the common man.that it is time to choose sides.

my jesus reference was not intended to shock or offend,but rather point out a hypocrisy i am encountering daily,and with increasing frequency.jesus walked with the oppressed,the disenfranchised and the abandoned.his ministries were directed at these pockets of humanity.he was an insurrectionist,a radical and a dissident.he was always on the side of the powerless.

so how i look at it,to choose the "other" side is to choose an ever-increasing authoritarian powered elite that is systematically stripping you of the very ideals you propose to support.the very power structure that robs and steals your grandkids future,commodifies human beings and criminalizes the poor.

or a more apt analogy:you have chosen the plantation owner and the slave master.

which is why my reaction is a visceral one.

my faith has always dictated my politics,and i cannot,in good conscious,choose a side that seeks to crush my fellow man for its own continued:greed,luxury,social status,political influence and social relevance.

the price they demand is too high.
it is time to choose sides.

as for being vulgar piece of trash..yeah..i dont see it.
maybe the music is not your thing or the video production value is low,but "vulgar piece of trash"?

sorry man..just dont see how this music video can be placed in that category.

Whatever happened to Jesus' message of love, peace, and tolerance?

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Except, you know, Hell and eternal damnation.
>> ^bareboards2:
And no, I don't think Christians consider God and Jesus the same. Jesus is strictly New Testament and brought a message of love. I think that is why no one laughed at that joke -- it doesn't match his message.
>> ^hpqp:
Don't most christians consider God and Jeebs to be one and the same?
That being said, while the Bible's misogyny (some examples) is for the most part not directly attributable to Jeebs himself, doesn't his actions count for something? Out of 12 disciples, not a single worthy woman? I guess there's always the possibility of him being gay

I don't identify as Christian, but I have been steeped in its images my whole life. Plus Sunday Bible School when I was seven. Perfect attendance. Jesus was my buddy when I was little.

And no, I don't think Christians consider God and Jesus the same. Jesus is strictly New Testament and brought a message of love. I think that is why no one laughed at that joke -- it doesn't match his message.

I'm not a biblical scholar, but I do know that Mary of Magdelene was a prostitute who he consorted with and defended. "God" would never have done that. The Nag Hammadi Gospels were discovered and one of them was purportedly written by Mary. The bible being so male-centric is in part due to a historical power struggle -- decisions were made about what was to be kept and what was tossed aside -- and the men won.

The Gnostic Gospels by Elaine Pagels is fascinating reading.

I haven't read it but I am leaning towards making the effort -- Thomas Jefferson's “The Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth" which is just Jesus's words only.


>> ^hpqp:

Don't most christians consider God and Jeebs to be one and the same?
That being said, while the Bible's misogyny (some examples) is for the most part not directly attributable to Jeebs himself, doesn't his actions count for something? Out of 12 disciples, not a single worthy woman? I guess there's always the possibility of him being gay

Wow. Just... wow.

It sort of sucks that millions upon millions of Christians can work to spread a message of love and mercy... and one asshole in politics with a Bible can ruin all of it.

Oh well, such is life.

Kudos to Maddow for an even-tempered counterpoint. Excellent choice of guest.

>> ^BicycleRepairMan:
Iran is living proof of my attitude towards religion, it is a theocratic dictatorship, and exactly what you'd expect when secularism is denied its rightful place. Islam, like Christianity, is explicitly totalitarian, whenever you hear the phrase "moderate", bear this in mind, what it means is "less religious" and "less in line with what your religion actually says". It means that reason and outside factors have eroded your religion, and not, as most moderates contend, that you are closer to the true meaning of your religion. If in doubt, simply open any "holy" book and simply read its message: submission, ignorance, thoughtcrime, a jealous, petty, unjust god on a mission to make you his slave, and rambling, powerhungry, sadistic middlemen like Moses or Muhammed acting as gods messengers on earth. Just like the theocratic bullies who are in charge in Iran right now.
My best wishes to the Iranian people.


Uh, no.

So-called theocracies that trample on people are what happens when leaders are corrupted by evil, not 'inspired' by God. They may cloak themselves as getting instructions from above, but that's clearly untrue and only makes their crimes worse, since they give you what you consider license to indulgent in flagrant attacks on what is actually a message of love and respect towards everyone - which sadly is trampled upon far too often by religious and secular types alike.

cheers for your prompt message deputy. love your new pic btw.

In reply to your comment:
“I know it's late but congrats on the gold star Pigeon.
Lovin' your posts.”

Upvote for "Winners Don't Use Drugs" message. I loved that shit when I had my NES.