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NetRunner (Member Profile)

TDS: Special Comment - Keith Olbermann's Name-Calling

chilaxe says...

In reply to this comment by NetRunner:
@volumptuous, yes that makes you a leftist. Implying that morality dictates being humane to people is now a "partisan" political issue, and for some reason is considered some sort of slimy dirty trick.

That's why I propose we just waterboard conservatives until they confess to secretly being concerned about the well being of people who aren't themselves.

Seems the whole movement would collapse once they realized that not everyone in it is as macho as they like to pretend they are.


Way to turn a video about blind political excesses into more blind political excesses.

TDS: Special Comment - Keith Olbermann's Name-Calling

xxovercastxx says...

I agree with your overall premise, but a couple of the things you list aren't complete nonsense.

Here's an article covering claims and evidence that the suicides at Gitmo were actually murders.

'Going to war over false pretenses' is easy to validate. They told us they knew Iraq had WMDs and that there was evidence linking the 9/11 hijackers with Saddam. Not only did they find no WMDs but they then denied ever linking 9/11 and Iraq. If those aren't false pretenses, I don't know what is.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
I can find no credible source documenting the U.S. military 'torturing people to death'. Rhetoric such as 'murdering innocent people', 'going to war over false pretenses', 'sycophantic neocon ideas', 'purposefully plunging the economy'... These are the biased terms of left wing blogs. Speaking out against the Iraq War, or Bush, or whatever doesn't make you a kook. The WAY you speak out against them is what makes a kook like Olbermann.

TDS: Special Comment - Keith Olbermann's Name-Calling

Psychologic says...

> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
Freedom is where I plant my flag. You can know in advance very clearly where I stand on any issue based on my guiding political philosophies of limited government power, and increased human freedom.


I noticed a comment by you on another video saying "I see no reason why MJ should be illegal when used medicinally." I'd personally think that someone wanting to limit government power and increase personal freedom would oppose the prohibition of any drug on any level, even for non-medical use, but it's possible I misinterpreted your other comment.


Show me a liberal who fights for the consitution as it was written...

You have mentioned that you believe healthcare reform to be unconstitutional, though I don't think I've seen you explain why. One could argue that the "general welfare" of the nation is worth fighting for, but perhaps that is the difference between "reading" the constitution and "interpreting" it.

Do you believe your interpretation of the constitution is the only correct one?

RedSky (Member Profile)

TDS: Special Comment - Keith Olbermann's Name-Calling

Drax says...

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
torturing innocent people to death, illegally wiretapping our communications, invading sovereign nations who posed zero threat to anyone, pillaging our treasury, running a pseudo dictatorship and delving into the absolute worst of politics -- so people, even news hosts, had every right to be incredibly @#$$ed off.
Everything you listed is an "Olbermann" level diatribic exaggeration driven by a leftist bias.


You really have no idea how biased you yourself are. I think you self reinforce your own bias by the feeling that your life is on the right track, and therefore your views and opinions are absolute and correct. You're smart enough to realize the republican party flubs up majorly, but you are obviously OBVIOUSLY biased towards the other side of the isle. There's no real in between for you. You ultimately side with the republican party's views, and you foolishly believe there's a responsible way of pulling them off.

The answer is to go with the best ideas from both parties and make that work. That I believe is how the system was meant to be set up. But now everything is polarized like a nation watching the last two football teams in existence battle it out, each of us rooting for the one team we side with.

There are no good ideas from the other party for you, you will ultimately side with pretty much every ideal the Republican's throw out, and expect every one else to live under those rules. Left, liberal, radical has become a way for you to easily dismiss ideas you're not willing to be open to... never mind the world is made up of individuals. There is good and bad in everything.

If you want to live your life pro-choice, pro-religion, pro-conservative, pro-flying spaghetti monster.. that's your right... but stop shouting in the way of the progress that needs to happen for us to move forward, taking the best of what either party has to offer and forging ahead. Republicans are disliked because it's obvious to many that they're more about winning then helping these days. I'm not saying that makes Democrats "good", but they at least seem to be looking ahead.

We need better health care. At least in the hands of the government it can be held somewhat accountable. In the hands of corporations we're at their whims. The free market will create a profit driven, competitive environment. And no, we will not have much sway in how that environment forms.. after all.. we HAVE to go to THEM.. it's not a luxury item. It's something we all need.

And btw, why are you here? Sift a video or two, geeze.

Jon Stewart Pwns Keith Olbermann

Jon Stewart Pwns Keith Olbermann

TDS: Special Comment - Keith Olbermann's Name-Calling

volumptuous says...

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

Everything you listed is an "Olbermann" level diatribic exaggeration driven by a leftist bias


Let me get this straight.

Torturing innocent people to death is an exaggeration? As in, we didn't do it? Or, we kinda did it but it's not as bad as all of those Dirty Fucking Hippies think it was?

And to condemn this makes one a "leftist"?

Invading Iraq and murdering over 100,000 innocent people, over false pretenses in order to fulfill sycophantic bloody neocon ideas, is somehow an exaggeration?

And to speak out against it makes one a "leftist"?

Purposefully destroying our economy and plunging the country into the worst recession in 50 years is somehow an exaggeration?


For a "statistician" you sure know fuckall about current events, recent history, or reality.

Jon Stewart Pwns Keith Olbermann

Keith Olbermann says Kill the Bill

davidraine says...

>> ^NetRunner:
^ What's your definition of "meaningful", and does this mean you'll be voting Republican from here on out?


Meaningful means (roughly) lower costs and better coverage. Fewer uninsured at prices that won't break the bank, and better care in general, instead of a system that focuses solely on catastrophic health problems. I'm not saying that Congress has the get there in one leap, but they do have to get a fair deal closer. From everything I've read this bill is literally driving more people into a broken system, and does nothing to improve it or control costs. Instead of even making incremental improvements, we're moving in the wrong direction again.

This is my complaint with Obama and the Democratic party in general. They have a chance to improve things, but time and time again they decide to take that energy and use it to push our country even further in the wrong direction. We could have fixed the banks, but instead we handed them more power and things have gotten even worse. We could have a more transparent government, but the Obama Administration is still extending Bush's court cases and blocking FOIA requests. We could have better health care, but Democrats are more interested in racking up campaign dollars and selling out the poor -- you know, everyone who makes less than $5 million.

In response to your second question, goodness no. To extend a recent trend, I would give current the Obama Administration a D+ and the federal Democratic party in general an F. Unfortunately for the Republicans, they flunked out of class years ago. I will likely be voting "third party" in the future -- I'd like to vote Green, but they don't make it to the national stage too often, so it looks like I may be writing candidates in for a while.

Also note that while I'm not comfortable with the national parties, local and State elections are a different story. Last election I cast votes across all three parties (I'm in Illinois, so there's always Greens on the ballot).

NetRunner (Member Profile)

Keith Olbermann says Kill the Bill

Psychologic says...

> ^acidSpine:
What on Earth makes him think Obama wants free healthcare for all? Do you think a man like Obama would back down from taking something he really wanted?





Obama has voiced support for a single-payer system in the past, but that isn't exactly "free". It doesn't matter how much he wants it though, he can't force congress to pass it.

Keith Olbermann says Kill the Bill

NetRunner says...

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
"Since they are calling you something, you might as well do it!", I find that logic HILARIOUS! Quick, someone call Olbermann a martian I want to see what he does!


Someone is wrong on the Internet. Or, at least, doesn't understand that the point was that you really shouldn't spend much time trying to appease the demands of your competitors in life.

Apparently you think he meant the opposite -- that you should slavishly adopt the caricature that people who hate you are trying to paint you with.

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