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John Cleese about the difference between football and soccer

John Cleese about the difference between football and soccer

Bidouleroux says...

"Beyond that it seems a more intuitive and precise for everyday uses."


Exactly. It "seems" more intuitive because it's really not. Neither is metric more intuitive, it just makes more sense generally and is easier to compute with when dealing with unusually big/small (i.e. unintuitive) numbers and measurements. Once you switch to metric from imperial, the everyday "intuitive" measurements are still intuitive, they're simply expressed in different units. Anyway, imprecise measurements are imprecise, whatever the system you use.

>> ^entr0py:

>> ^gwiz665:
shakes fist
Ounce makes no sense
Pounds make no sense
Miles make no sense
AM/PM is stupid
Fahrenheit makes no sense - 32F is the freezing point, wtf?
It is colloquially adopted everywhere EXCEPT certain third world countries and the US... goddamit, get with the program!

1. The alternative to Ounces, Pounds and Miles are equally arbitrary measurements. Just easier to deal with since they're in factors of 10. I'd personally be happy if we switched, but it would be a huge pain for everyone and cause lots of confusion at first.
2. You've seen clocks; that's where it comes from. AM/PM has never been much of a problem for me since you can always tell which one it currently is by looking outside. And if you're telling someone a time it's slightly faster to say eight-PM than sixteen-hundred-hours.
3. 0 Degrees F is the stabilization point of brine. Fahrenheit had a lot of reasons for setting it exactly where he did (partly he was building on pre-existing scales), but the one that makes the most sense in the modern day is that "The outcome was a scale that had, essentially by design, the points 0° and 100° corresponding closely to the lower and upper limits of human comfort, an approach which made the scale inherently preferable in many everyday contexts" It's easy for anyone to remember that 32 is the freezing point. Beyond that it seems a more intuitive and precise for everyday uses.

John Cleese about the difference between football and soccer

entr0py says...

>> ^gwiz665:

shakes fist
Ounce makes no sense
Pounds make no sense
Miles make no sense
AM/PM is stupid
Fahrenheit makes no sense - 32F is the freezing point, wtf?
It is colloquially adopted everywhere EXCEPT certain third world countries and the US... goddamit, get with the program!


1. The alternative to Ounces, Pounds and Miles are equally arbitrary measurements. Just easier to deal with since they're in factors of 10. I'd personally be happy if we switched, but it would be a huge pain for everyone and cause lots of confusion at first.

2. You've seen clocks; that's where it comes from. AM/PM has never been much of a problem for me since you can always tell which one it currently is by looking outside. And if you're telling someone a time it's slightly faster to say eight-PM than sixteen-hundred-hours.

3. 0 Degrees F is the stabilization point of brine. Fahrenheit had a lot of reasons for setting it exactly where he did (partly he was building on pre-existing scales), but the one that makes the most sense in the modern day is that "The outcome was a scale that had, essentially by design, the points 0° and 100° corresponding closely to the lower and upper limits of human comfort, an approach which made the scale inherently preferable in many everyday contexts" It's easy for anyone to remember that 32 is the freezing point. Beyond that it seems a more intuitive and precise for everyday uses.

John Cleese about the difference between football and soccer

NetRunner says...

>> ^gwiz665:

shakes fist
Ounce makes no sense
Pounds make no sense
Miles make no sense
AM/PM is stupid
Fahrenheit makes no sense - 32F is the freezing point, wtf?
It is colloquially adopted everywhere EXCEPT certain third world countries and the US... goddamit, get with the program!


The value of a social safety net is also casually accepted everywhere except certain third world countries and the US.

We're different, and we're arrogant, and we're attached to old and outdated notions, even though we're arguably the youngest 1st world nation.

I agree, none of those measurements make sense, but they're familiar, and we're pig-headed enough as a society that we'll probably never give up on them entirely.

At best, we'll probably keep the words, and just make them equivalent to metrics (e.g. 1 mile = 1km, 1 gallon = 1 liter, etc.).

John Cleese about the difference between football and soccer

gwiz665 says...

*shakes fist*
Ounce makes no sense
Pounds make no sense
Miles make no sense
AM/PM is stupid
Fahrenheit makes no sense - 32F is the freezing point, wtf?

It is colloquially adopted everywhere EXCEPT certain third world countries and the US... goddamit, get with the program!


>> ^NetRunner:

>> ^gwiz665:
Americans should change it, like they should change to the metric system and a 24h clock.

No thanks.
When it's 30 degrees outside, it's cold, not hot.
It's never 13 o'clock. Never.
A woman with 36-24-36 measurements is hot, not a circus midget.
Someone who weighs 100 something is petite, not huge.
Never mind automotive stuff, mph to kph, converting horsepower to kilowatts, torque from foot-pounds to newton-meters, miles per gallon to kilometers per liter (or worse, the crazy liters per 100km thing some countries use).
Metrics are fine for engineering, but I just don't see it being adopted colloquially anytime soon.

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campionidelmondo (Member Profile)

John Cleese about the difference between football and soccer

dannym3141 says...

Totally dag. After i made my previous comment i was thinking - john cleese is probably somewhere at the roots of trolling, he had to be one of the first. Certainly the first to do it on such a massive scale. I remember seeing him troll the royal family, even advertising companies that he was making adverts for.

John Cleese about the difference between football and soccer

NetRunner says...

>> ^gwiz665:

Americans should change it, like they should change to the metric system and a 24h clock.


No thanks.

When it's 30 degrees outside, it's cold, not hot.

It's never 13 o'clock. Never.

A woman with 36-24-36 measurements is hot, not a circus midget.

Someone who weighs 100 something is petite, not huge.

Never mind automotive stuff, mph to kph, converting horsepower to kilowatts, torque from foot-pounds to newton-meters, miles per gallon to kilometers per liter (or worse, the crazy liters per 100km thing some countries use).

Metrics are fine for engineering, but I just don't see it being adopted colloquially anytime soon.

John Cleese about the difference between football and soccer

John Cleese about the difference between football and soccer

kronosposeidon says...

So eloquent. >> ^dannym3141:

>> ^kronosposeidon:
I never thought a smart and funny guy like John Cleese would ever get involved in the dumbest debate in sports, possibly the dumbest debate in history: Soccer vs football. I know he's a comedian, but his take on the debate is completely unoriginal, and older than he is. And besides, who gives a fuck? Let them both be called football. It only takes approximately 5 milliseconds of viewing to determine which one you're watching, so what confusion is there in the first place?
And as far as which game is superior? Again, who gives a rat's ass? They're both events whose outcomes signify NOTHING. If your team wins, does that make you a winner too, or your city, college, or country a superior place in any way? No need to answer that. (EDIT: A controversial call cost America a victory over Slovenia in the World Cup. Oh noes! Now I must commit suicide!)
So if you enjoy either or both sports, that's fine. I have nothing against people having a good time at a sporting event, provided they don't turn into violent idiots because of the game's outcome. But don't try to make this debate seem significant. And it was totally exhausted of humor eons ago.

Rofl, you just got trolled by John Cleese. Hard.

John Cleese about the difference between football and soccer

dannym3141 says...

>> ^kronosposeidon:

I never thought a smart and funny guy like John Cleese would ever get involved in the dumbest debate in sports, possibly the dumbest debate in history: Soccer vs football. I know he's a comedian, but his take on the debate is completely unoriginal, and older than he is. And besides, who gives a fuck? Let them both be called football. It only takes approximately 5 milliseconds of viewing to determine which one you're watching, so what confusion is there in the first place?
And as far as which game is superior? Again, who gives a rat's ass? They're both events whose outcomes signify NOTHING. If your team wins, does that make you a winner too, or your city, college, or country a superior place in any way? No need to answer that. (EDIT: A controversial call cost America a victory over Slovenia in the World Cup. Oh noes! Now I must commit suicide!)
So if you enjoy either or both sports, that's fine. I have nothing against people having a good time at a sporting event, provided they don't turn into violent idiots because of the game's outcome. But don't try to make this debate seem significant. And it was totally exhausted of humor eons ago.


Rofl, you just got trolled by John Cleese. Hard.

campionidelmondo (Member Profile)

John Cleese about the difference between football and soccer

kronosposeidon says...

I never thought a smart and funny guy like John Cleese would ever get involved in the dumbest debate in sports, possibly the dumbest debate in history: Soccer vs football. I know he's a comedian, but his take on the debate is completely unoriginal, and older than he is. And besides, who gives a fuck? Let them both be called football. It only takes approximately 5 milliseconds of viewing to determine which one you're watching, so what confusion is there in the first place?

And as far as which game is superior? Again, who gives a rat's ass? They're both events whose outcomes signify NOTHING. If your team wins, does that make you a winner too, or your city, college, or country a superior place in any way? No need to answer that. (EDIT: A controversial call cost America a victory over Slovenia in the World Cup. Oh noes! Now I must commit suicide!)

So if you enjoy either or both sports, that's fine. I have nothing against people having a good time at a sporting event, provided they don't turn into violent idiots because of the game's outcome. But don't try to make this debate seem significant. And it was totally exhausted of humor eons ago.

kulpims (Member Profile)



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