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I much prefer the original Tom Waits version (I think findable on YT but with a crappy slideshow only), but here's this:

http://www.videosift.com/video/Joan-Baez-The-Day-After-Tomorrow

"Faye Dunaway has said that during the filming, she felt Joan's presence on the set many times.

During Faye Dunaway's interview on Bravo's Inside the Actors Studio, James Lipton saved the topic of "Mommie Dearest" for the end of the interview, being as how Dunaway credits the film for ruining her career. When he comments on her appearance in the film as Joan, Dunaway says that she and the make-up artist worked for hours trying to get the "Crawford look". Finally Faye says she discovered that Joan looked the way she did because of the way she purposely held her facial muscles, thus explaining why Joan looked different in her very early career. Faye says "It was chilling.""

From the Wikipedia article on Mommie Dearest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mommie_Dearest_%28film%29

that Evonne Billiobong is quite famous....Menzies an' Howard????...not to mention Kylie M. and Elle Mc P-, AND Dame Joan made her mark-Aussies are survivor stock-kiwis are hard to come by.....

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Good stuff. Haven't heard much of Joan Osborne since Relish.

>> ^my15minutes:
>> ^lucky760:
Brad Pitt, Cameron Diaz, Don Cheadle, Robin Williams, Huey Lewis, Harrison Ford, McLovin, Josh Groban, Macy Gray, Joan Jett, ...
Meat Loaf!
and Perry Farrell from Jane's Addiction is the one singing just before Macy Gray.


Lets see.. There's Meatloaf, Lance Bass, Carlos Mencia.

>> ^lucky760:
Brad Pitt, Cameron Diaz, Don Cheadle, Robin Williams, Huey Lewis, Harrison Ford, McLovin, Josh Groban, Macy Gray, Joan Jett, ...

Meat Loaf!

and Perry Farrell from Jane's Addiction is the one singing just before Macy Gray.

I'm with EDD. It's a shame the joke was ruined by the submission title.

Funny as hell, though. LMFAHS! Can someone compile a list of every star who guested in the video? I wasn't really keeping track but here's who I recall: Brad Pitt, Cameron Diaz, Don Cheadle, Robin Williams, Huey Lewis, Harrison Ford, McLovin, Josh Groban. Who'd I miss?

Oh yeah, Macy Gray, Joan Jett, ...

To me the movie was a bit of a disappointment, but I loved this part. Joan Cusack does comedy so well, better than most all other actresses AND actors in Hollywood today.

The best version of htis song I ever heard was Joan Osborne, who I didn't even like before I heard her sing this.

i say Bunny is the Joan Jett of 2020.

I made that Jesus/cross observation a few years ago... even followed it up in similar fashion: "like inviting Joan of Arc to a bonfire."

Funny to see it echoed by a pro.

I come from an upper-middle-class liberal suburban place pronounced Missour-EE within a red state called Missour-UH in the United States of Jesus. My high school had a very high percentage of children of professors at Washington University, and if you added up all the jews, blacks, asians, and mixed people, that was probably over 50%. My mother hails from UCC, which is probably the second most welcoming and nondogmatic of sect of Christianity behind Unitarian Universalism (Barack Obama is in UCC). My father was a woowoo evangelical. Some of my recollections on the subject of religion during childhood are:

1. In third grade, some kid started going around asking everybody, with a dichotomous intonation, "Are you Catholic, or Christian"? I suspect he was an evangelical. I don't recall giving any reply, but even at the time I had doubts due to the lack of any fulfillment of prayer. I had grown to distrust all adults and authority figures as a reasonable extension of my discovery, as a five or six year old, of Santa Claus, the first thanksgiving, Pocahontas, and many other lies. I had also grown to suspect something was terribly rotten in our society due to the cruelty of many homophobic bullies who called me names that weren't even true and the teachers who didn't care. Because of my alienation, I was not inclined to presuppose that the majority opinion was more likely to be correct.

2. Around this time, my (divorced remarried noncustodial) father also took me to see a faith-healer. I don't recall what he was trying to cure me of. He attended some crackpot semirural megachurch, and his business was "no money down" real-estate, another religion.

3. Within two years afterward my father was involuntarily committed to a mental institution for schizophrenia because he believed he could communicate directly with the spirits of Joan of Arc, Jesus, and other saints, and they told him to fight demons by committing arson. He later said the charges were trumped-up and unsuccessfully tried to get out with a religious freedom argument.

4. Teachers from sixth through twelfth grade stressed the importance of critical thinking and incorporated it into the curriculum.

5. In seventh grade, I recall being asked of my religious affiliation, and replying that I was sitting on the fence between agnosticism and atheism. There was no retribution or suprise or stigma. I was already an outcast and had nothing socially to lose, anyway. About a year prior I first acquired persistent unsupervised access to the internet, which I have had ever since. In the following two years I did quite a lot of research online and debating in online bulletin boards. This drew me closer to atheism by gaining a greater understanding of physics, chemistry, biology, astronomy, geology, etc. In other words, a greater understanding of how the world came to be the way it is. However, I would still call myself a teapot-agnostic.

6. In high school, I found a clique of atheists and agnostics. Shortly after 9/11, when the Missouri legislature enacted a bill that compelled schools to recite the pledge of allegiance at least once a week, some of my classmates and I openly expressed our disapproval on the grounds of separation of church and state. No gasps were heard. This was long before the Newdow case. When the Bible As/In Literature was taught in English class, several of my classmates and I expressed our disapproval again on the same grounds. In classroom discussions on that book, I recall many viewpoints being expressed with no great gasps of shock. I, the nerd, said openly that I thought the bible was a collection of fairy tales, poems, and forgeries, while the big football jock next to me expressed a predilection for biblical literalism in not so many words. I recall a very hot semi-orthodox Jewish girl who told me she would only date Jews.

I agreed with, or even said openly online, much of what is contained in the God Delusion, before the book was published. I suspect some others have had similar experiences. Not every consensus is a flock.


The ID movement, and the fact that every single suicide hijacker/bomber is faith-based, and the loosening of taboos by (e.g.) the Daily Show, have probably been three of the most important factors that led to the books of Dawkins and Hitchens. In Dawkins' case, the ID movement alone may have been the most important factor because of his biological profession. Hitchens tends to write books extremely quickly (averaging a book a year for the past 24 years), and it's very plausible that he began writing his after, and because of, the success of The God Delusion.

Most nonatheist people's comments on the Sift about Dawkins accuse him of being too shrill. Accusing one's opponent of too much enthusiasm (stridency, shrillness) is irrelevant to the subject matter of the debate. I personally find nothing unpleasant about Dawkins' manner of speech except his affinity for hooptedoodle. His grotesque description of the god of the old testament is spot-on. A book only appears strident in relation to one's perception of orthodoxy, and neither the orthodoxy nor one's perception of orthodoxy are necessarily correct. Rather, debate the substance of the issue. Neither Dawkins nor any of his followers is advocating curtailing the religious freedom of believers, so his opponents have nothing to fear but the holes in their theories.

Maybe he's just trying to be funny, but Chris Matthews at 4:24 sounds like a buffoon. Maybe he sees the writing on the wall and is trying to get Joan Rivers' job at the Oscars.