>> ^cosmovitelli:

>> ^Yogi:
>> ^artician:
I'm so curious to why people reject that notion. Is it purely fear of other religions and cultures? Are that many americans actually for invading other countries? I've never encountered that state of mind before, at all. From my experience most people are pretty quick to equate War with Evil.

I have a theory that most Americans know pretty much what we're doing. The fight between the indoctrinated (both the right and the left) is actually a fight about how we should go about doing what we're doing in the world..
Democratic presidents aren't any better on war crimes than Republican presidents. They just seem to be in the business of trying to tell everyone they're being nice and when they have to do something awful it's all the other countries fault...
This is also helped along by the media who play their role well.

Exactly. Without war America goes back to the 30's - California's border closed, 400,000,000 acres of farmland turned to dust by greed and lack of regulation, stillbirths due to malnutrition, bank of America paying people (WHITE People!) 5c a day for picking lettuce and beating them in some cases to DEATH for demanding a liveable wage (it was 25c before the excess labour turned up from the dust bowl).
Then corresponding communist organisation by the workers, FBI involvent in repression via total constitutional breaches, etc etc.
Without WW2 it looked like civil war - or reduction to a slave force for big east coast finance. Then the massive battle fleet parked off the coast of Japan mysteriously provoked an attack - and whammo - a job for everyone, a new massive industry (still what America spends half of all it's money on to this day), and a border extended effectively all the way around the globe, allowing the cycle to start again except on a much bigger stage.
What happens now when the organisms reach the edge of the petri dish? Well, better stick some of that annual $1 trillion into FTL research cos we're going to need a new planet.
The choice - face up to it, or shout boo at anyone who tries to tell you the truth.


Welcome to the world of bullshit for people who only speak and know bullshit -- that's everyone, FYI. And it's going to be that way for all of time, whether it's at the workplace of 2012, politics in 3012, or Sunday school at the Grand Cabal's Science Center for Observable Theological Theory in the year 100,012. I already have FTL drives and I keep em powered up wherever I go.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^artician:
I'm so curious to why people reject that notion. Is it purely fear of other religions and cultures? Are that many americans actually for invading other countries? I've never encountered that state of mind before, at all. From my experience most people are pretty quick to equate War with Evil.

I have a theory that most Americans know pretty much what we're doing. The fight between the indoctrinated (both the right and the left) is actually a fight about how we should go about doing what we're doing in the world..
Democratic presidents aren't any better on war crimes than Republican presidents. They just seem to be in the business of trying to tell everyone they're being nice and when they have to do something awful it's all the other countries fault...
This is also helped along by the media who play their role well.


Exactly. Without war America goes back to the 30's - California's border closed, 400,000,000 acres of farmland turned to dust by greed and lack of regulation, stillbirths due to malnutrition, bank of America paying people (WHITE People!) 5c a day for picking lettuce and beating them in some cases to DEATH for demanding a liveable wage (it was 25c before the excess labour turned up from the dust bowl).
Then corresponding communist organisation by the workers, FBI involvent in repression via total constitutional breaches, etc etc.

Without WW2 it looked like civil war - or reduction to a slave force for big east coast finance. Then the massive battle fleet parked off the coast of Japan mysteriously provoked an attack - and whammo - a job for everyone, a new massive industry (still what America spends half of all it's money on to this day), and a border extended effectively all the way around the globe, allowing the cycle to start again except on a much bigger stage.

What happens now when the organisms reach the edge of the petri dish? Well, better stick some of that annual $1 trillion into FTL research cos we're going to need a new planet.

The choice - face up to it, or shout boo at anyone who tries to tell you the truth.

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What bullshit. Use of crushing, excessive force FTL. We drink raw milk. In Australia it's marketed as "BATH MILK - NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION".

>> ^budzos:

Netrunner don't know if you read sci-fi but there is a great book co-authored by Arthur C Clarke about this concept. It's called The Light of Other Days and is all about wormholes. Highly recommend if you've any interest.

I've probably still read more sci-fi books than anything else. In fact, my reaction to reading that was "holy shit, there's an Arthur C. Clarke book I haven't read?"

But yeah, various forms of FTL communication show up all over the place in sci-fi, and the (somewhat obvious) common thread is that they all rely on something that us 21st century people don't know how to detect.

My other thought is that maybe we do know how to detect it, but all we see is noise because they're using encryption that's millions of years more advanced than ours. Vacuum energy fluctuations are my (and several sci-fi authors') favorite place to imagine this might be happening.

However you want to justify is cool. I support your decision. It is a scary thing sometimes to call into a radio show and challenge a nonviolent, non-coercive argument with an argument in favor of violence and coercion. Let me know if you ever get up the courage.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
I've argued with enough evangelicals to know that rational deconstruction and empirical scrutiny are useless against religious devotion and hero worship; and that task would be even more difficult with the brevity, power imbalance and lack of depth to the talk radio format. Text debate would be better, although when I did try to initiate a dialog in the guy's chat room, I got booted almost immediately for asking tough questions. They were clearly not interested in having their beliefs questioned. >> ^blankfist:

If it's so easy to deconstruct, then what are you waiting for. 1-800-259-9231
In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
Yeah, because it's so realistic and well thought out.
In reply to this comment by blankfist:
Yeah, I don't blame ya. I'd be too scared to do that too. It's hard to punch holes in the voluntaryist argument.
In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
If I was going to do that, I'd want to study his show, suss out his debate techniques and get to know his stock answers so I could control the conversation without worry of rhetorical blindsides. That would take many hours which would be more productively spent masturbating. If he had a wider following, maybe.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
So, you call into Molyneux's show yet? Also, you interested in calling into FTL? I would be very interested to hear you debate these guys.

I've argued with enough evangelicals to know that rational deconstruction and empirical scrutiny are useless against religious devotion and hero worship; and that task would be even more difficult with the brevity, power imbalance and lack of depth to the talk radio format. Text debate would be better, although when I did try to initiate a dialog in the guy's chat room, I got booted almost immediately for asking tough questions. They were clearly not interested in having their beliefs questioned. >> ^blankfist:

If it's so easy to deconstruct, then what are you waiting for. 1-800-259-9231
In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
Yeah, because it's so realistic and well thought out.
In reply to this comment by blankfist:
Yeah, I don't blame ya. I'd be too scared to do that too. It's hard to punch holes in the voluntaryist argument.
In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
If I was going to do that, I'd want to study his show, suss out his debate techniques and get to know his stock answers so I could control the conversation without worry of rhetorical blindsides. That would take many hours which would be more productively spent masturbating. If he had a wider following, maybe.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
So, you call into Molyneux's show yet? Also, you interested in calling into FTL? I would be very interested to hear you debate these guys.

If it's so easy to deconstruct, then what are you waiting for. 1-800-259-9231

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
Yeah, because it's so realistic and well thought out.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
Yeah, I don't blame ya. I'd be too scared to do that too. It's hard to punch holes in the voluntaryist argument.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
If I was going to do that, I'd want to study his show, suss out his debate techniques and get to know his stock answers so I could control the conversation without worry of rhetorical blindsides. That would take many hours which would be more productively spent masturbating. If he had a wider following, maybe.


In reply to this comment by blankfist:
So, you call into Molyneux's show yet? Also, you interested in calling into FTL? I would be very interested to hear you debate these guys.

Yeah, because it's so realistic and well thought out.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
Yeah, I don't blame ya. I'd be too scared to do that too. It's hard to punch holes in the voluntaryist argument.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
If I was going to do that, I'd want to study his show, suss out his debate techniques and get to know his stock answers so I could control the conversation without worry of rhetorical blindsides. That would take many hours which would be more productively spent masturbating. If he had a wider following, maybe.


In reply to this comment by blankfist:
So, you call into Molyneux's show yet? Also, you interested in calling into FTL? I would be very interested to hear you debate these guys.

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I would really like to see a movie where aliens invade that don't have awesome, hugely advanced technology, and every facet of their war was in line with real weapons and real consequences.

Say, they get here not by FTL travel, but generation ships or cryonics, or a physiology that allows them to hibernate for years, like some earth organisms do. When they land, they have guns. Not lasers, or plasma rifles, or antigrav gunships, or weird fucked-up magic death rays that suck you up into the sky through your eyeballs (Skyline was teh suck). It could be an allegory of Iraq or Afghanistan. First would be an alien Shock and Awe, as they use EMP to knock out infrastructure and technology and drop asteroids on cities and installations. Superior firepower only due to them having the "high ground", and a ground occupation more like WW2 or WW1 as all our fancy shit was toast and we EMP'd the crap out of their tech too...

Shit... I should copyright this post.

FTL warping of spacetime: the Alcubierre drive is based on this principle.

>> ^BicycleRepairMan:

Fascinating, but not very plausible.. to make this, you'd have to collect several million earthlike planets from all over the galaxy, somehow tow them to this star, bring them all into the same, stable orbit, and then somehow splice them together, sort of like a stone arch falling into place. How you could keep gravity from pulling them together to form gas-giants or even small stars is yet another matter. overall, with superb planet-towing spaceships and all, I'd estimated the task to take several hundred million years and probably fail. I'd think I'd settle for populating the galaxy first.


I've read the whole series, many times and according to Niven the Ringworld was constructed as a filled shell. Planets, planetoids and asteroid belts from neighboring systems were broken down and through a never explained process, transmuted into a unique alloy called Scrith. That shell was then contoured like a bas-relief, bulges for oceans, depressions for mountains and filled with earth, water, oxygen, plants etc.. Still a massive undertaking to be sure, esp. at sub-light speeds but not as bad as assembling a giant jigsaw.

Sub-light speed technology is assumed as any civilization capable of FTL travel would find it far easier to terraform and inhabit existing worlds.

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