Some way to make the descriptions more visible would certainly be good, but ultimately people need to take responsibility for their invocations. If someone can't be bothered to know what the channels are for, then they shouldn't be assigning any.
>> ^gwiz665:
You can't always count on people reading those descriptions, so the name has to be as descriptive as possible. That's the same reason I'm raggin on deano, because bravo is a misleading name.
So yeah, it would be nice, but so would a million dollars for number 1 video.
>> ^xxovercastxx:
Perh
aps a good place to start would be to have people read the channel descriptions. Viral's description clearly states, twice, that it's for viral ads.
>> ^gwiz665:
There is a bit of overlap in viral and meme. Viral does not only mean "viral ads". A video can also "go viral", which is basically that it's popular and shown on all sorts of sites.
Meme is sorta the same thing, but usually with remixes, recreations and such.
There are plenty of channels which are pretty rarely used, but I think it would be a shame to outright delete them: mystery, grindhouse, islam, travel, election08; these are channels that aren't really used much that know of (pretty narrow definitions), but it would still be a shame to just remove them, because those videos that do use it would lose out.
If you wanna see a channel that's often mis-invoked, I point to bravo - which have gotten better, though.
I don't think we can "fix" the channels with band-aids and gum, if we need to change it, we need to do it majorly.

You can't always count on people reading those descriptions, so the name has to be as descriptive as possible. That's the same reason I'm raggin on deano, because bravo is a misleading name.

So yeah, it would be nice, but so would a million dollars for number 1 video.
>> ^xxovercastxx:
Perhaps a good place to start would be to have people read the channel descriptions. Viral's description clearly states, twice, that it's for viral ads.
>> ^gwiz665:
There is a bit of overlap in viral and meme. Viral does not only mean "viral ads". A video can also "go viral", which is basically that it's popular and shown on all sorts of sites.
Meme is sorta the same thing, but usually with remixes, recreations and such.
There are plenty of channels which are pretty rarely used, but I think it would be a shame to outright delete them: mystery, grindhouse, islam, travel, election08; these are channels that aren't really used much that know of (pretty narrow definitions), but it would still be a shame to just remove them, because those videos that do use it would lose out.
If you wanna see a channel that's often mis-invoked, I point to bravo - which have gotten better, though.
I don't think we can "fix" the channels with band-aids and gum, if we need to change it, we need to do it majorly.

Perhaps a good place to start would be to have people read the channel descriptions. Viral's description clearly states, twice, that it's for viral ads.

>> ^gwiz665:
There is a bit of overlap in viral and meme. Viral does not only mean "viral ads". A video can also "go viral", which is basically that it's popular and shown on all sorts of sites.
Meme is sorta the same thing, but usually with remixes, recreations and such.
There are plenty of channels which are pretty rarely used, but I think it would be a shame to outright delete them: mystery, grindhouse, islam, travel, election08; these are channels that aren't really used much that know of (pretty narrow definitions), but it would still be a shame to just remove them, because those videos that do use it would lose out.
If you wanna see a channel that's often mis-invoked, I point to bravo - which have gotten better, though.
I don't think we can "fix" the channels with band-aids and gum, if we need to change it, we need to do it majorly.

>> ^gwiz665:
There is a bit of overlap in viral and meme. Viral does not only mean "viral ads". A video can also "go viral", which is basically that it's popular and shown on all sorts of sites.
Meme is sorta the same thing, but usually with remixes, recreations and such.
There are plenty of channels which are pretty rarely used, but I think it would be a shame to outright delete them: mystery, grindhouse, islam, travel, election08; these are channels that aren't really used much that know of (pretty narrow definitions), but it would still be a shame to just remove them, because those videos that do use it would lose out.
If you wanna see a channel that's often mis-invoked, I point to bravo - which have gotten better, though.


When Bravo is used poorly I am totally all over it! Thanks to the power of RSS.

There is a bit of overlap in viral and meme. Viral does not only mean "viral ads". A video can also "go viral", which is basically that it's popular and shown on all sorts of sites.

Meme is sorta the same thing, but usually with remixes, recreations and such.

There are plenty of channels which are pretty rarely used, but I think it would be a shame to outright delete them: mystery, grindhouse, islam, travel, election08; these are channels that aren't really used much that know of (pretty narrow definitions), but it would still be a shame to just remove them, because those videos that do use it would lose out.

If you wanna see a channel that's often mis-invoked, I point to bravo - which have gotten better, though.

I don't think we can "fix" the channels with band-aids and gum, if we need to change it, we need to do it majorly.

Then we could just swap out the election08 channel assignment with one for "politics", since every video assigned to the former also belongs in the latter.

Just for the, admittedly rare, cases where "election08" is the only tag for a video, it would be harder to find again. subchannels would solve this problem, but afaik, the channels aren't currently nested like that.
>> ^campionidelmondo:
Wouldn't "elections" just be an unnecessary subchannel of "politics"?
So all the videos in that channel would still be in the politics channel, no? I don't understand what you mean by letting them loose, or why they'd have to be discarded>> ^Crake:
instead of deleting the channel and letting all those videos loose (or discarding them), couldn't we just have "defunct" channels, which still showed up next to the videos in question, but were taken off the submission menu?

Wouldn't "elections" just be an unnecessary subchannel of "politics"?

So all the videos in that channel would still be in the politics channel, no? I don't understand what you mean by letting them loose, or why they'd have to be discarded>> ^Crake:
instead of deleting the channel and letting all those videos loose (or discarding them), couldn't we just have "defunct" channels, which still showed up next to the videos in question, but were taken off the submission menu?

>> ^Sarzy:
Why not just rename election08 to something like "elections"?


Wasn't that what the chan was named in the first place?

Why not just rename election08 to something like "elections"?

^It just feels sloppy to me, but clearly I'm in the minority.

I still think some channels could use tweaking. I think all channels should have a clear channel description no matter how obvious we might think they are. It also makes sense to me to consider redefining channels that might not have worked out as originally planned. That doesn't mean a complete change of the channel's definition, just a shift. #election08, for example, is pretty much a dead channel at this point. Why not change it to #elections?

>> ^xxovercastxx:
>> ^Sagemind:
B). Delete a bunch of the channels and slim it down - doing this creates 2 problems:
a). you would have to create an "Other" channel (bad idea).
b). you would have to remove the Ruby reward of being able to create and run a new channel (also a bad idea).

Neither of these things logically follow the choice to trim the channels back. If anything, I think we'd be more likely to stop making new channels if we don't clean up from time to time.
Creating an "other" channel is a bad idea. Why did you come up with it?
I think a combination of cleanup (your option B) and organization (your option A) is the best solution.


Remember that the channels we have were created because we saw a need. If we remove a bunch of them, then there "WILL" be those videos that no longer suit the remaining channels. Which is why I brought up the "Other" tag (a particularly bad idea) because there has to be an option for those videos. (I for one, would never want to see an Other channel.)

I'm sure I can up with channels that can be deleted too but they aren't going to be the same as the next guy that uses those channels. (Cinema, Election08, Future, Humanitarian, Mystery, Obscure, Travel, Woohoo). These were created by people that saw a need for these channels. Categorize the channels, but be careful what you want to remove, cause like I said, I like the channels, as many other do.


Back to the point of this post: EIA and FAIL are different. I suggest the moderators define, judge and remove posts that don't belong. There will always be overlap.

Sort of like the overlap between Animation & Woohoo, Comedy & Happy, Standup & Talks, Music & Livemusic, Conspiracy & Lies...

Overlap doesn't have to mean "the same thing" they are more like adjectives, they help to define.

I think most of us can agree that the number of channels can be overwhelming, even to experienced sifters. I propose that we categorize some of them, if we can. I've tinkered a bit with it, but some categories are near impossible, because they are pretty subjective, but others like "time/period" or "area" are pretty general. Here are some of the stuff I've mulled with (sorry for the wall of text):

Uncategorized (for now)
Art - Books - Bravo - Catsanddogs - Comics - Conspiracy - Controversy - Cooking - Drugs - Eco - Fail - Howto - Law - Military - Money - Magic - Meme - Nature - Sports - Spacy - Timeshift - Terrible - Travel - Waronterror - Wheels - Wings

Emotional response:
Cute
Fear
Dark
Happy
Love
Wtf


People:
Femme
Geek
Gay
Humanitarian
Kids
Teens
Sexuality
Eia(?)

Movies and TV (scripted entertainment):
1sttube
Videogames
Woohoo
Scifi
Standup
Actionpack
Animation
Cinema
Grindhouse
Horrorshow
Latenight
Shortfilms
Parody
Mystery
Viral
Commercial
Comedy (may be too big for just the category)


Beliefs:
Cult
Islam
Lies
Religion
Politics

Areas:
Asia
British
Canada
Downunder


Music:
Music
Livemusic
Blues
Jazz
Rocknroll
Wildwestshow (among other things)
Hiphop
Metal
Obscure
Dance

Period/time:
80s
Vintage
Election08
Future

Mind expanding/education:
Brain
Documentaries
Engineering
History
Science
Talks
Worldaffairs
Philosophy
News (perhaps?)

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I don't see how the Gay channel fits here.

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