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Rape in Comedy: Why it can be an exception (Femme Talk Post)

Ryjkyj says...

I'm just going to give my opinion here, mostly because George Carlin is my hero, and because I'm interested in the topic:

Regarding things being offensive:
There isn't any topic known anywhere to human kind that won't offend someone. Whether it's daisies or pancakes or pinwheels someone, somewhere, can be offended by it. I guarantee it. This is just my opinion, but I don't think that anyone has the right to 'not be offended.'

Regarding comedians:
People mostly don't seem to realize the importance of humor in all of our lives. Comedians play a very important role in the collective human community that cannot be replaced. They help us deal with parts of ourselves that would otherwise be unacceptable for us to even sometimes think about. Just like the court jester who might otherwise get himself beheaded if he were a normal person suggesting the king was fat. Almost all humor, successful or not, makes people feel uncomfortable. The very best humor makes people really uncomfortable. Laughter itself is a response to these same situations and events that we just have a little-bit of a hard time dealing with. I think this is why comedians, while onstage, are given a free pass. Even their televised specials get edited for content, but the only time a comedian gets kicked off stage in a club is when no one is laughing. What they're saying implies a lot more about the people laughing than it does about the comedian. Follow me?

And it's important to remember that most comedians are artists who are immersed in their material. Most have specific routines that are worked out over and over again, tweeking the tone and meter until they become almost meaningless to the comedians themselves. This is why you rarely see experienced comedians laughing at their own jokes, they've just heard them too many times. And even when they are performing improvisationally, like Tosh was during the event in question, they aren't saying things that they think are funny, specifically, they are saying things that they think the audience will find funny. It may seem like a small distinction, but it can make a big difference in understanding why some jokes are made. Some comedians have a style based on saying shocking, offensive things, and it's they're job. They are paid to make an audience laugh, and whether you like him or not, Tosh gets paid.

And the particular incident and joke:
This whole thing was brought up by a woman who was at a show and heard something she didn't like. She retorted back from the audience that rape isn't funny. To which Tosh retorted back that it would be funny if the woman was "raped by like five guys." Now, according to the woman, that made her actually fear for her safety and she got up and left. I'm not going to debate her sanity, if she really felt threatened, then that's terrible and I feel bad for her. But there are a few things that need to be pointed out here:

1: Tosh didn't threaten anyone. Had he said: "you five guys over there should rape this woman," it would not only be offensive to many people, but it also could have been perceived as a legitimate threat that, maybe, could have been pursued legally.

2: Hecklers are always dealt with harshly. And so should they be. Complain all you want about a person outside of a show but when you go to a comedy club, you have agreed that it's that person's time to talk. And so has everyone else who paid money to listen to them, not you. They're up there making a living, succeeding or failing at the expense of their own ass, not yours. It should be noted here that the woman said she left the room to the laughter of the entire audience.

3: You do not have the right to not be offended, especially if you are at a fucking comedy club. There was a pretty famous incident with Joan Rivers when she was joking about deaf people on stage, and a man in the audience stood up and started yelling at her because his daughter was deaf and he didn't find her jokes funny. Well, Joan Rivers responded that her own mother was deaf, and that she'd had to deal with that on her own terms. Comedy was something that helped her deal with that (because comedy is a useful tool) and if he didn't like it, he could go fuck himself. And that's the thing, you never know people's story. The girl at Tosh's show couldn't know Tosh's experience with rape, just like he couldn't know hers. And if you don't think people who've experienced a major tragedy can joke about the horrible events in their lives, I invite you to go watch some Bob Saget material. Humor is subjective. Saying you don't think something should be allowed because it's not funny, is exactly the same as saying something shouldn't be allowed because you don't think it's funny. Whatever it is, you can bet that someone out there finds it funny, even if it's nonsense.

Rape jokes are hardly ever funny. Even Carlin's few never got much of a laugh. But jokes are thoughts, and I'd really rather people stop trying to police thoughts. If someone finds a joke threatening, then deal with the threat, not the joke. And if someone finds a joke offensive, well...

Holy crap! Talk about attack ad!!!!

More depravity from UsesProzac

Shepppard says...

@Fletch

Congratulations, you successfully pulled me out of bed to come write this.

First off, I stated my opinion, simple as that. I didn't attack your choice for posting it, I didn't attack UP for doing it. I basically pointed out the fact that the only reason this is getting any votes whatsoever is because it has a sifter in it. If this was daisy-mae from dallas, would anybody have voted? Likely not.

Now, lets turn to your argument, shall we?

We have Zero Punctuation reviews. I typically don't vote for them, but they actually add something. Agree with it or not, they talk about a recent video game title and an Australian man gives his opinion on it.

The daily show topics are generally comedic, and involve some news coverage in at least one form of another (Same goes for Colbert.)

QI? if you're really comparing this to QI then that's probably one of the silliest things you could have done. If you're saying that QI has absolutely nothing of value to it then you're fairly dense. I can't find ONE QI video where I can watch it and not learn something.

TyT, Once again, news. Granted, in a fairly bias form, but it's still news.

Now, lets go ahead and talk about the 25 seconds of someone stepping on a toy, shall we? What does this bring to the table? Did we learn anything? Not really. Is this anything to do with current or past events? Nope. Is it artistic in any way? Nope. If I'm having a rough day, and need something to just make me smile, is this gonna do it? Definitely not.

So, apart from the fact that it's got a sifter in it, what's its merit? Did others actually find it worthy enough to upvote it? Or are they only doing so out of obligation because voting it down would potentially hurt UsesProzacs feelings? I can honestly tell you right now the only reason I DIDN'T vote it down was for that very reason. I have no grudge towards her whatsoever, I do have a problem with a video being added to this site for the sole reason of "hey look, it's part of a videosift member".

The site has already been criticized as one giant "In community", do we really need to ostracize people who aren't familiar with the community by spamming them with videos of sifters feet?

Dr. Drew Catches a Buzz

Dr. Drew Catches a Buzz

News blooper: Watch the guy in the background.

Dumb Homophobic Christian Takes Stupid to New Depths

messenger says...

And to be clear about southern accents, there are a lot of 'em, and I mostly don't associate them with stupidity (Bill Clinton, Daisy Duke), but this particular one I strongly do.

Tenacious D - Low Hangin' Fruit

eric3579 says...

Well me and Kage are hungry
We're hungry for some fruit
We wander through the garden
It would be a hoot

To eat some low hanging fruit
We're on a freaky pursuit
Don't want no high class model in designer baby bathing suit
We want the low hanging fruit

Me and Kage are horny
Looking for a snack
Looking for a plump one
I want my baby back

We want some low hanging fruit
She wears a bee keeper suit
She got the sweet stanky fruit
We need the low hanging fruit

She got the flip flops on with hot red potatoes
And a butt floss thong with fried green tomatoes
And she loves the song we sing for the ladies c'mon! Oh my God!

[JB scat section}

Low hanging fruit
She wears a pink parachute
She got the fly tattoo and the honky tonkin' daisy dukes
We love the low hanging fruit

Because the high class fruit is not very funky
But the low class fruit is sweet chunky monkey
When you smoke that bood it smell like a skunky c'mon!

C'mon! C'mon! C'mon!

Truck Rescue Fail

Mass Effect 3: Take Earth Back - Cinematic Trailer

rychan says...

I wish these trailers didn't rely on such Hollywood cliches. Hero walk towards the enemies, jumping charge. I guess I haven't seen the "Daisy" ad referenced in this genre so I'll let that one slide.

Mass Effect 2 was an amazing game, though. It felt like a movie, which sounds like a terrible thing for a game but I mean that a testament to the production quality of the game. Mass Effect 1 had some nice moments as well (the last few major missions).

I am so afraid this game will be terrible. I hope I'm wrong.

Smoker's Lungs - scary!

My_design jokingly says...

I though a good pot-head prescribed to the "Wake-and-Bake" schedule of existence with a preference for a good bong hit before the feet hit the floor. Of course a good water pipe can filter out some of the crap. Now drinking the water afterward probably doesn't do you any good.

The early morning buzz is then sustained with joint or 4 through out the day depending on stress levels, lack of other drugs, daisy shortages, rallies to attend, current bank account balance, general conflict with "the man", and numerous other "Stressors".

Man I really wish I could just Sarcasm tag a section of this, which probably makes it bad sarcasm.

Dog Fakes Narcolepsy to Avoid Punishment

Push Th' Little Daisies - Ween

Ween - Push th' little daisies



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