>> ^ponceleon:

The problem is that people don't understand the mentality of the lunatic fringe. Evidence is not evidence for them, it is just "proof" of a coverup.
Basically, if they don't get the answer they want, they just continue to complain that it is all a conspiracy.


And if you read the comments on youtube you will see exactly that. All sorts of conspiracy crap even to the point of saying it's a CIA produced document and everyone on youtube that's laughing at, or trolling/refuting the birthers bullshit conspiracy theories are now PAID CIA trolls sent there to make them look stupid and/or cover up the truth. Either that, or they are on Hillary Clinton's Internet Misinformation/Control Campaign. LOL! Man, and I thought I was nuts for my 9/11 crap. These guys take the proverbial cake!

The problem is that people don't understand the mentality of the lunatic fringe. Evidence is not evidence for them, it is just "proof" of a coverup.

Basically, if they don't get the answer they want, they just continue to complain that it is all a conspiracy.

*brain

Jon Krakauer has a book entitled Into Thin Air, which gives the compelling account of 8 climbers who were killed on Everest in 1996.

So much played into this tragedy that the elements of nature were playing a secondary role.

(Krakauer's newer book, btw, details the events that lead up to the friendly fire that killed Pat Tillman, and the subsequent coverup that the DoD attempted to implement in response.)

>> ^quantumushroom:

What does this clown's being a pastor have to do with anything? Why that's like blaming chairman mao and stalin for being murderous tyrants because they were atheists.


Hi QM, I think you missed my point entirely. The term murderous tyrant most definitely describes the actions of a Mao or Stalin. Thanks anyway.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Catholics are an easy PC-approved target for these folks and the left in general. Boys were being buggered by criminally mental defectives, not "in the name of the Catholic Church."
Remember the hypocrisy: a "small" group of jihadists continue their worldwide assaults and we're told they are not a part of islam while a small group of criminal priests = blanket condemnation of the world's one billion Catholics.
Meanwhile... Revealed: UK’s first official sharia courts


I think the concern here is more the orchestrated coverup extending to the highest levels of the catholic hierarchy. I don't think anyone has a problem with practitioners of catholicism. Further, Islam has by no means escaped atheists' censure.

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And, why wouldn't he collect evidence when this massive youtube/google coverup was supposed to have occurred? Now there are nearly 300,000 hits for "youtube vs the users" and 10 pages of results on youtube alone. He obviously owns a camera, it wouldn't have been hard to point that at his screen.

>> ^manfromx:
So to sum up bcglorf
Yes it is to much to ask to investigate because his suggestion sounds crazy.
Regardless of any evidence they bring up to try and say it is suspicious it seems that a lot of people just want to stick their fingers in their ears and go lalalala. Then the second you lay out where that evidence may lead they unplug their ears and go "AHA! See sounds crazy!".
I just think it's odd that people can't accept the smallest possibility of this. Governments have done terrible things to their own people before. Do you people with your fingers in your ears really think all the good guys are in North America and all the bad are in the Middle East? (not saying there aren't bad people in the Middle East mind you).
I think part of it stems from people not wanting to be "that guy". You know, the one that suggests something out of step of what is commonly believed. The ones you ridicule usually. You got no balls.


You seem to be under the mistaken impression that his claim is as simple as requesting there be an investigation. You see, there already was an investigation and it is Gage that is ignoring that evidence and calling it suspicious and sticking his fingers in his ears.

Gage isn't even merely asking for a more thorough investigation, he is making his own claim that the 9/11 attacks were a controlled demolition event. Every piece of evidence he and his type have brought forward has been thoroughly debunked. The official story has been accepted as valid by thousands of trained profesionals in relevant fields. For Gage's story to be true, literally thousands of trained engineers and physicists across the country have to be in on the conspiracy. It also requires a massive coverup effort to hide and plant the explosives initially and to subsequently deny the use of them before all the professional witnesses across the country who know better. Sorry, but it is crazy if you follow it right through and truly test the imagined 'evidence' Gage has brought forward.

I'm very confused by this. I understand his anger regarding the military policy of shooting civilians and lengthened tours, but he keeps bringing it back to 9/11. What does the Iraq war currently have to do with 9/11, other than it being used by Bush and others as a vague justification when they were trying to sell it back in '03? And what does being a darker skinned white person have to do with anything? He keeps repeating "believing 9/11 was a lie." In what way? That it was a government setup/coverup or the use of it as a justification for war? Can someone explain what the hell he's talking about?

Also, it should be "breaks it down" in the description, not brake.

>> ^spoco2:
>> ^smooman:
who knew, spoco
grammar police out

Well, to be fair... that's not grammar, that was a typo, and spelling, not grammar.
But thanks


typo......nice coverup =P

it's ok, eye have tie poes all the thyme two

ps: your welcome (see what I did there?!)

In reply to this comment by mxxcon:
i wasn't commenting so much on atrocities they've done but the fact that the whole organization from the very bottom to the very top is structured to encourage and cover up these crimes.
and the fact that US Gov't still support this organization
and the fact that there is no measurable public outcry against blackwater or gov't officials that are not acting stop this.

this country needs some of that sense of responsibility and shame that is so common in japan's society.
90% of our elected officials should commit public seppuku.

The whole organization from the very bottom to the top is structured to encourage and cover up these crimes? You mean like how the American government itself tries to cover up things like the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, or it's use of biological weapons in Korea (those brave few who protested were condemned were and persecuted: McCarthyism at its finest during the height of the cold war), or tried to cover up the whole Iran-Contra affair (Where the US sold Iran weapons and gave the funds to the Contra guerrillas in Nicaragua, who used American funded weapons to commit countless atrocities) or the army's use of torture in the current Iraqi war?

And sense of shame and responsibility that is common in Japan's society? You mean like how the doctors of Unit 731 who performed live vivisection on prisoners and civilians with no anesthesia, who viewed non-japanese civilians as nothing better than "logs" to test on, and how these doctors were not charged with war crimes and went back into Japanese society and lead successful careers afterward? And how so many Japanese people, including influential politicians are vocal deniers of war crimes committed by the Japanese army (that whole section was censored out of Japanese school curriculum)? Or like how Issei Sagawa, who murdered and ate Renee Hartevelt, a Dutch exchange student in Paris, is a celebrity and a free man in Japan, and makes a living from his infamy? Shame and denial are not mutually exclusive.

I'm saying this kind of corruption and coverup, and this kind of public apathy, is hardly unique to America, and is hardly a new phenomenon. It's ubiquitous. Seriously, Blackwater is one of the least things to be ashamed about in our history.

So every virologist in the world automatically gets subscribed to the Baxter World Domination e-mail list?

>> ^Doc_M:
What a sack of paranoid horse shit. As a virologist who knows people in the CDC, people who find vaccine targets, people who make vaccines, and just about every other part of the scientific process of virus study, I'll tell you that this is beyond irresponsible.

Your naivety is gonna get people killed

http://www.videosift.com/video/Secret-Military-Vaccinations-Infecting-Soldiers-Coverup

^ I disagree with what you think is motivating his coverup. I think he seriously wants the whole thing to go away, because if he personally gets behind a move to prosecute the torturers, it will a) kill any chance of building the political will to do so in a bipartisan fashion and b) kill any chance of his Presidency ever being about anything else.

Get mad about this, call your congressmen, senators, and Eric Holder's office.

Make sure they know the people want justice.

Make him do what's right.

>> ^blankfist:
Why because she uses facts to bolster her stuffy, superior anti-GOP rhetoric?

So what you're saying is because of her tone, the case she makes must contain inaccurate (biased) factual content? Because she thinks that she has these guys dead to rights, it's unfair for her to say so?

Going back to my example (that you ignored, along with my question about the New Deal), even if the reporter looks out the window and declares that her preferred party was telling the truth, it's not unfair or biased for her to say so in a mocking tone, particularly if they're way off.

Whether it helps her credibility amongst people who don't like her favorite party or not is a whole other question.

What Fox does is qualitatively different. Often the facts they present are incorrect or at least unsourced, and the conclusions they reach are not supported by the facts, or even a reasonable reading of the situation (e.g. Obama's trip to visit his grandma in Hawaii is really to personally oversee the coverup involving his non-American birth certificate).

WikiPedia:

Lieutenant General Vladimir Sergeyevich Ilyushin (Russian: Владимир Сергеевич Илюшин) (born 31 March 1927) is a son of aircraft designer Sergei Ilyushin and a noted test pilot in the Soviet Union. He spent most of his career as a test pilot for the Sukhoi OKB.

Ilyushin is purported to be a cosmonaut; it is alleged he became the first man in space on 7 April 1961. This honor is generally attributed to Yuri Gagarin whose spaceflight, Vostok 1, took place on 12 April.

The theories surrounding this alleged orbital spaceflight are that a failure aboard the spacecraft caused controllers to bring the descent capsule down several orbits earlier than intended, which resulted in its landing in the People's Republic of China whereupon the pilot was held by Chinese authorities for a year before being returned to the Soviet Union. The international embarrassment that would have resulted from having their pilot held is cited as the Soviets' reason for not publicizing this flight and instead focusing their adulation on the subsequent successful flight of Gagarin.

However, there are reasons to disbelieve this allegation, notably that although both were Communist governments, relations between the Soviets and Chinese were strained, and the propaganda value to the Chinese of a Soviet pilot captured flying over their territory would have given little reason for Chinese complicity in a coverup.

According to Mark Wade, editor of the well known website Encyclopedia Dramatica, "The entire early history of the Soviet manned space program has been declassified and we have piles of memoirs of cosmonauts, engineers, etc who participated. We know who was in the original cosmonaut team, who never flew, was dismissed, or was killed in ground tests. Ilyushin is not one of them."