Sigh. Orbiting earth is also hard, and there are hundreds of problems with it, which is why mankind went thousands of years without doing it. But long before we actually managed to do it, we knew that it should be possible, because we knew the earth was a sphere. I can imagine there was lots of heated discussions on how to do it, that would be little comfort to a flat-earther. "See! You cant put things in orbit, earth must be flat!" Like thats how stupid you sound when you go "Horizon problem! The universe must be 6000 years old!"

Why do you even bother reading about things like the Horizon problem? Are you seriously suggesting that this makes your case?

What I am suggesting is that both Creationists and secular scientists have an imperfect understanding of the problem, but Creationists do have a plausible explanation with evidence to back it up.

Whether the universe is six thousand or 13.72 billion years old is not in scientific dispute, ok? we might have to finetune it give or take a few million years, but there is no doubt about the general size of the number. If everybody has fucked up completely the last 100 years, then perhaps one could imagine the number needs to be trippled or cut in half or whatever (I really doubt it because we now have correlating data from so many fields) but 6000 years? Thats a JOKE. Its complete and utter nonsense, It's balls-out-clownshoes-and-two-fucking-trouts-on-your-head-barking-wackaloony-insane-babble-from-crazyland-wrong to the nth degree.

The correlating data you are looking at is a hall of mirrors. Radiometric data is based on uniformitarian assumptions. The light travel time is based on similar assumptions. Embedded in all of the estimations of an old age are unprovable assumptions that have no empirical evidence to prove they are true. They are in fact unknowable.

It's really not important to me to prove to you how old the Earth is. It's your worldview that the Earth is very old and it's intrinsic to how you view reality, and to try to excise that from your mind would be like trying to separate conjoined twins. All I really want you to know is that there is a God out there who loves you, and His name is Jesus Christ.

>> ^Sagemind:

This is an excerpt from a post already on the sift.
See here: http://videosift.com/video/Conjoined-Twins
I would have to call Dupe on this one because, it doesn't ad to the original in any way other than to clip a piece off.

Edit: this is an old video, born in 1990, these girls are now 22 years old.
This interview is from December 17, 2006


ACC vs. TLC. I'd say keep it.

This is an excerpt from a post already on the sift.
See here: http://videosift.com/video/Conjoined-Twins

I would have to call Dupe on this one because, it doesn't ad to the original in any way other than to clip a piece off.


Edit: this is an old video, born in 1990, these girls are now 22 years old.
This interview is from December 17, 2006

Tags for this video have been changed from 'conjoined, twins, zaphod beeblebrox' to 'conjoined, twins, zaphod beeblebrox, hensel, age 16' - edited by bareboards2

I was like W T F watching this, but I'll upvote the vid just for the wrongness of this comment. Hehehe...

>> ^petpeeved:
Man, Amy Winehouse has put on some weight.

Nice! Original one: http://www.videosift.com/video/Conjoined-Twins

Another one: http://www.videosift.com/video/More-Of-the-Henzel-Conjoined-Twins

Your wish is my command. I hope that http://www.videosift.com/video/More-Of-the-Henzel-Conjoined-Twins is as popular as this clip. What an amazing phenomenon she/they are!

In reply to your comment:
“We need more clips of them and others. ”

choggie, the downvote button is there for a reason. All power to you if you want to downvote this. We're all going to see this somewhat differently.

I'd be uncomfortable about this video if I thought that the girls were unwilling or duped into appearing in this show, but they, their parents, their teachers and their peers seem to treat their lives as unusual but normal, if that makes any sense. Abby and Britney have given us permission to look at their televised images as long as we want, so I don't feel guilty about looking and I chose to upvote this video.

I've just started reading Daniel Gilbert's "Stumbling on Happiness" (his TED video is here). The opening paragraphs in chapter 2 describe another pair of conjoined twins:

Lori and Rena Schappel may be twins, but they are very different people. ... [T]here are just two unusual things about Lori and Reba. The first is that they share a blood supply, part of a skull, and some brain tissue, having been joined at the forehead since birth. ... The second unusual thing ... is that they are happy -- not merely resigned or contented, but joyful, playful and optimistic. Their unusual life presents many challenges, of course, but as they often note, whose doesn't? When asked about the possibility of undergoing surgical separation, Reba speaks for both of them: "Our point of view is no, straight out no. Why would you want to do that? For all the money in China, why? You'd be ruining two lives in the process."

So here's the question: If this were your life rather than theirs, how would you feel? If you said, "Joyful, playful and optimistic", then you are not playing the game and I am going to give you another chance. Try to be honest instead of correct. The honest answer is "Despondent, desperate and depressed." Indeed, it seems clear that no right-minded person could really be happy under such circumstances, which is why the conventional medical wisdom has it that conjoined twins should be separated at birth, even at risk of killing one or both. ... Everyone know[s] that conjoined twins will be dramatically less happy than normal people ... . And yet, ... an exhaustive search of the medical literature ... found that the "desire to remain together to be so widespread among communicating conjoined twins as to be practically universal." Something is terribly wrong here. But what?

This is what impresses me about this video. Abby and Britney seem to be as genuinely content and happy as Lori and Reba. They are not bravely soldiering on in face of a terrible disability, but they are living their normal and happy lives. What I hope to learn from their experiences is not something about the nobility of the human spirit under stress (which may be a valid lesson to draw from other situations), but how individual and flexible the path to normalcy and happiness can be. I'm curious about their lives, and unashamed of that, but I don't think I'm condescending to them, either.

Thanks for the provocative discussion and the chance to promote Gilbert's book, too.

Did anyone see the recent Grey's Anatomy episode of conjoined twins (guys)? They hated each other and got a split. At least we don't see that with these two girls.

Separation was never even considered. It would have required transplants of several body parts, and in the end you'd have two girls in wheelchairs each with only one arm and one leg each, with colostomy bags in the unlikely event of survival.

No, they are healthy conjoined twins who will eventually, if they choose to do so, have children (each has one ovary). Being 16 year old girls, they understandably didn't wish to discuss their love lives, though they are each attracted to different boys. I hope they have a happy life, and marry if they choose. Legally, they are individuals, and each was granted a driver's license, so for instance, if they choose to marry, they would have to marry different men.

Tags changed from "conjoined, twins" to "conjoined, twins, zaphod beeblebrox" by gold star member sometimes.

This is just... Wow... Am at a loss for words...

Babies like this usually don't survive. Usually if it's conjoined twins at the head you can save them, my father actually preformed such an operation in Zambia, allowing the conjoined twins to seperate and survive.

But this, I can't I mean... the brains are connected there is no chance of seperation. The second head is like a parasite living off the full bodies supplied blood, it's joined at the skull and the brains are fused. Watch the rest to find out more...

I want an Isifter figuring to hook up to my cd player that dances and lights up


we're conjoined twins, daphne