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noam chomsky denounces democrats russian hysteria

enoch says...

@newtboy
gonna have to disagree with ya there mate.

not so much on the speculation in regards to trump involvement,or some kind of capitulation with russia.there quite possibly be some co-ordination between the kremlin and the trump administration.trumps alleged ties with putin may all be true,but until i see some actual evidence,that is all it will ever be;speculation.

and i think chomsky's criticism is a valid one.
the "russia russia russia" drum beating is reminiscent of the republicans and their meth-induced media barrage of "benghazi benghazi benghazi",and even after their precious political whipping tool had been debunked,they STILL beat that drum.

and of course it is hypocritical of the US government to cry about political election interference! america has been interfering with other,sovereign countries democratic elections for decades!

because here in murica' we like our allies to be either be run by despotic leaders,or rigid theocracies,because democracies are hard to manipulate and control.can't be bribing an entire citizenry now can we? we like our foreign allies like we like our meat,juicy and tender and easy pickings.

now i am not here to defend putin.the man is a brutal authoritarian,who may appear to some as a russian patriot,but i just see a ruthless and saavy political player who appeases the only constituency that matters to him.the russian oligarchs,and they OWN that fucking joint.

but it was NATO who began to encroach on russian borders,not the other way around.in fact,as early as the 80's we began that encroachment.we lied to gorbachev,who was removed as president in shame,to be replaced by yeltsin.who was america's pick for their own little tool of the kremlin.

russia's military build-up has been a direct response to our ever-increasing wars of aggression in the middle east.putin has stated so publicly.

russia's biggest export is oil and natural gas,and russia pretty much is the sole provider for all of europe.with our wars in the middle east,and now qatar aggressively seeking to push through their own oil and gas pipeline to sell to europe.(what?you thought yemen and syria were about civil wars and terrorists?).

what did you THINK russia was going to do?
sit back and let their only major export be challenged?

and now that trump,like the buffoon he is,publicly stated that if the baltic states are not willing to pay their fair share towards NATO,then they will be removed.opening the door for putin.

poor latvia...

but lets waste all this time on "russia russia russia",while ignoring the larger implications of a fucking world war.

did russia manipulate US elections?
possibly..probably..
was the trump administration complicit?
possibly..probably..

is their any evidence beside speculation,and coincidence?
nope.

chomsky makes a valid point.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-shifrinson-russia-us-nato-deal--20160530-snap-story.html

Can Trump read?

transmorpher says...

Not sure about 1968, but these days, the only requirement is enough money. I don't know anything about his past, but I'm going to assume that he got his degree from one of those pay-your-way-through universities, where they just give the degree if you keep failing but paying enough.

Even at normal uni's this happens somehow too: I see thousands of rich international students get degrees at my uni each year, and there is no way they have passed anything given that they can't even speak the local language. They all seem to have really nice cars though....
But international students pay upfront, and pay many times the admission price of local students.

Trump could have payed someone else to do the course work, or even still bribed or blackmailed someone too I suppose. Everyone has a price, and most people have skeletons in the closet too.

dannym3141 said:

Good questions. I don't know too well what would be required for a bachelors in economics in 1968.

More Evidence Trump Can't, Or At Least Won't Read

Anom212325 says...

It was looking hopeful at the end of last year but he managed to squirm his way out of it again. The few good people in the ANC tried to get him out with a vote of no confidence but he bribed his way out of it. Then he and expelled them for trying to get rid of him so he got full control of the ANC again. DA is slowly growing but it will be many years still before they will be big enough. They only grew with 3% in the last provincial elections on 2016 while the new EFF that is spewing kill the white man at every meeting got 8.2% of the total votes.

cosmovitelli said:

I thought Zuma was at last finally losing Mandela's ANC base? I was there last year and he was all over the TV getting screwed in parliament, & have a friend in London who is very excited about the DA making progress.

The Bizarre Far-Right Billionaire Behind Trump's Presidency

newtboy says...

Oh no, sir. I KNOW he lied repeatedly, he wrote a book about how to get ahead by lying.
On the other side, as you put it (and you missed me screaming for months that there aren't only two horrendous choices) was a normal, underhanded, misdirecting politician.

Email cover-up? Really? What crime was she covering, now that we have seen them all....none. Was she transparent about it, no, but as evidence that Trump is at least as bad on that front if not worse....tax returns is all I need say.
Pay for play, after Devos blatantly bought a cabinet position you would actually blindly make that claim with no evidence? Let me guess, you're afraid of the fish people Alex Jones told you about too. Is she corrupt, yes, is she corrupt compared to a man that's screwed over every business partner he's ever had and the taxpayer by intentionally bankrupting his companies repeatedly by hiring and massively overpaying other Trump companies, using that method to steal all funds and assets and build up massive debt, then declaring bankruptcy, stiffing his partners and creditors, and walking away (or in a few cases doing it over before being forced to leave), no. By comparison she's above reproach. Clinton may fit the definition of corrupt, but the word barely covers the insane backstabbing, admitted and repeated bribery (remember he claimed to have bought numerous politicians by bribing them, he thinks it's how government works), and theft from his partners that Trump is proud of.

So yes, tissue paper thin glass snow globe......

worm said:

So you are really basing this all off of the notion you THINK Trump lied to get elected. Lets just assume for a second he did, not that I do or don't think so, but lets just ASSUME he did...

What was on the other side of the ballot? Pure-as-the-driven-snow candidate HRC? Madam email cover-up? The Queen of Pay-for-Play? The DEFINITION of currupt politicians?

So yes, Glass Houses...

Trump won't release his tax returns because...

nanrod says...

This refusal to release his taxes bothers me but not as much the excuse that he's being audited. As an accountant with more than a few decades, I mean years, of experience I can assure everybody that there is absolutely nothing about being audited that precludes making your returns public. Unless of course you're in the process of bribing your auditor.

shagen454 (Member Profile)

Russian Hacking and Trump Ethics: A Closer Look

kceaton1 says...

May I be the first to say to those older than me OR my same age (and younger even still)... If you do NOT understand computers, devices, the Constitution, history, politics (without the need for backstabbing), and being able to commit and fulfill an actual public office without taking bribes (though politicians like to use that money for their re-elections, and most certainly is never a bribe...NEVER...)...

If you don't understand at least some sort of bare minimum we should develop before people can actually run and ALSO take on civic duties. Trump seems to think computers are *magic* and are literally IMPOSSIBLE for ANYONE to know how they work. Remind me again how in the hell he got into office...?

Oh yeah, the same people that actually have this same issue voted him into office as well. This is why Snowden is charged with Espionage (how?), rather than a guy just following his Constitutional duty (which he was charged with twice over, in the Military and in the NSA...).

Good luck with your new version of "hope and change", based on ignorance, so bad that this ignorance believes it's impossible to overcome its own self-deceptions and deceptions created by others. The perfect "tools" for Russia to have in office (along with the perfect idiots to have in office, so Trump's cabinet picks can also break us too).

What DID Happen to the Titanic Crew?

Man Chops Down Tree To Steal Bike

Drachen_Jager says...

Chinese manufacturers poison children with lead paint on toys and melamine in formula. They build shoddy schools in earthquake zones, killing hundreds more children. The government is corrupt, the people, by and large, are on the verge of poverty, forced into making tough decisions like leaving their kids with the grandparents in the country while they work in the city and can barely scratch enough together to visit once or twice a year. At the same time, the wealthy class has ballooned at a staggering rate, government officials steal millions of dollars from taxpayers, or take the money in bribes, and offshore it so they can escape when the inevitable collapse comes. And all this is just barely scratching the surface of all the shit that goes on in China.

Yes, by all means, let's worry about one tree.

Mordhaus (Member Profile)

Bill Maher and Colbert - Police Culture has to change

vil says...

Except you cant compare this to (car) accidents. You could compare this to occurrences of ambulance drivers driving through packed pedestrian crossings or firemen setting fire to buildings, soldiers driving tanks over cars on the highway etc. If that kind of thing happened once a week someone would notice. Someone would be responsible. Something would be done.

I only get involved with cops when speeding or parking and over here in central Europe it is a friendly affair of getting a fine or a reprimand. If I go to visit Germany or Austria I fear the police for the fines are heftier and a stern talking to in german is nothing to look forward to, in the east or south of Europe a small bribe and more extensive language difficulties are the norm. Visiting the US somehow always involves warnings about how to behave so as not to get killed by cops. Go figure.

Ken Burns slams Trump in Stanford Commencement

bobknight33 says...

Bernie should have gotten more delegates.

Hillary been around the block and know hows the game goes and knows how to duck and weave ( bribe) herself to victory.

Don't forget the 47 dead bodies Bills womens.

notarobot said:

Ugh. I want to disagree so much, but in light of the email scandals, breech of trust, bribery, wall street speeches, corporatist super pac, vote suppression, and election fraud, I don't have much to go on.

And on the note of vote suppression and election fraud: there is mounting evidence that those are the two qualities that most enabled Hillary to snare her victory for the 'democratic' nomination.

Bernie is not backing down

notarobot says...

@3:50 - Bernie is wrong about support for Trump. There are plenty of American's who will vote for him because of his insulting comments, and plenty more who will hold their nose and vote Kang over Kodos.

"I don't really like him either, but least Kang didn't breach classified information, or take bribes from BigCorp like Kodos did," they might say.

@4:30 - "I will do anything in my power to stop Kang from becoming president" is code for "I'll vote for Kodos, if I have to."

Bernie was our last hope. The only human running. He was unable to defeat the dirty tricks of Hillary's campaign, with her big bank bribes donations, more "donations" from foreign governments, and her endless Super PAC money...

Bernie failed to understand that in America, it's the leaders who become idolized and it's the cheaters who usually lead. Bernie isn't a cheater. He is a man of dignity who stands by his word, and refused to act outside his principles or allow the ends to justify his means.

And that is why he will not be president.

John Oliver: Primaries and Caucuses

Lawdeedaw says...

I feel she is bad as Trump over her record. Racist? Check. Even Obama spit on her apology when she went to ask for forgiveness for her blatant racism, then exploded on him when he wasn't about to be a fool.

Chronic liar? Check. I know some embellishing is to be expected but there is a certain point when it becomes too much. Florida Governor Rick Scott is a great example of batshit crazy lying. Sarah Palin is too. Yet they never claimed to be under sniper fire, downplayed a massive federal investigation (because she tried to be shady because she is fucking stupid) and lied about their record every chance they got.

Homophobic? Of course we can't ask and won't tell...I mean if those faggots try to marry she won't support it unless it wins her an election...stupid faggots... Oh wait, definitely against LBGT. Check.

Bribed? Check...

Inciting? Check. If it serves a purpose sure.

I could go on and on. But to do so is to lessen my own validity. And if you aren't sure about those examples, don't ask me to cite them please. They are well-known and anyone not paying attention to their candidate of choice doesn't deserve a to be handed the information they should know...

bareboards2 said:

@Lawdeedaw

Fair enough. You think Hillary is as bad as Trump.

That is what politics is all about. Different points of view. And urging others to join your point of view.

I'll continue imploring all reasonable people to come out and stop the "quicker cancer." Because just on the simple face of it, who would choose a quicker death and remove all hope for the future?

I have to hang onto the hope.

Susan Sarandon Broke Up With Hillary

newtboy says...

These Hillary people now just ignore all her hypocritical flip flopping, never ending pandering, and bribes from billionaires and corporations and claim she's the 'better candidate'....Delusional morons ignoring fraud, bribes, a complete lack of consistency ("I supported $15 an hour...My plan is to raise minimum wages to $12 an hour...I support $15 an hour"), illegal fundraising collusion with the DNC, and a likely indictment on multiple counts right before the election (improper or not), and add to that the second worst 'likeability' rating ever to the list of things that must be ignored to make her palatable and a total lack of support among independents, and yet they're still assuming that people that support an honest candidate will just support her...that's just plain retarded...we won't.
Clinton as the nominee means Trump as president.

EDIT: If Bernie can really get Warren to run as his VP, he might still take the win outright. I really wish they had gotten together and hashed that out long ago, we could be working on the general election by now.
I also really wish they would both run as independents, not beholding to either party, since neither major party represents the people anymore.

robdot said:

These bernie people now just repeat fox news ,tea party nonsense. She forgot to say benghazi...Delusional morons ranting about fraud and conspiracy theories.
Hillary has a time machine ! Which she used to change the numbers ! Bernie can still win ! If he gets 100 percent of california !



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