>> ^zaust:

Would love to know at what point the christians admit these animals have souls and can go to heaven. And at what point they'll admit evolution has been pretty much proved.


Bonobos can't go to heaven, but only because humans can't either.
There's no afterlife, so be good to each other and enjoy this one.

I love my cousin to pieces, but found out recently that she doesn't believe in evolution. After some gentle questioning (I love her, I don't want to humiliate her), she finally said "I haven't thought about it, I just believe as my pastor tells me to."

In an odd way, I took comfort from that. SHE HASN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT. If she ever did think about it, I have faith (Ha!!) that she would accept evolution as fitting the scientific data collected.


>> ^zaust:

Would love to know at what point the christians admit these animals have souls and can go to heaven. And at what point they'll admit evolution has been pretty much proved.

I just wanted to say -- FINALLY -- someone gets it.

As for the "joke", it wasn't very funny. While I don't find O'Donnell particularly intelligent, or amusing, he took what she said out of context.

Not to defend her, what she actually meant to get across was this:
If monkeys evolved into Humans, why are monkey's still around? She messed up when she asked this, and Maher made an equally dumb comment on what she said, but everyone gave him a pass. As you said, we didn't, in fact, evolve from monkeys. And Maher is an imbecile in his own right for alluding to that we did.

As for the other guys comment about tea baggers and sanity, he/she needs to understand that just because someone has a different view of life/set of opinions than he/she does, doesn't make them insane, retarded, stupid, or otherwise. I'm so sick of this kind of crap on Sift and other such boards. Not for nothing, but the media loves to sensationalize the idiocy of society. You almost never see a regular democrat/liberal, republican/neocon or tea bagger in the news...you always see the extreme idiot that makes them all look stupid.

>> ^BicycleRepairMan:

>> ^Fantomas:
She makes an excellent point. Really! If evolution is real, why aren't teabaggers evolving into sane people?

Actually both are invalid points, and Maher isnt really making sense in the video either. As I never tire of mentioning:

1. We did not evolve from monkeys (or from chimps or bonobos or gorillas) we evolved alongside them. They evolved, we evolved, fruit evolved, and so on. Its not a matter of time as Maher implies, because monkeys would never, even if you could watch them evolve and reproduce for a billion years, then turn back time and replay the tape a billion times, evolve into humans. Which brings me to...
2: Evolution is not directed towards a specific goal or goals. if that was true, there are something like 10 million separate "goals" on this planet, species that undoubtably will, in the fullness of time, join in death the 99.9% of all "goals" that are now extinct, either by outright extinction, or by evolving into subspecies that look nothing like them.
EDIT: thats not to say I didn't understand the joke, btw

>> ^Fantomas:

She makes an excellent point. Really! If evolution is real, why aren't teabaggers evolving into sane people?

Actually both are invalid points, and Maher isnt really making sense in the video either. As I never tire of mentioning:


1. We did not evolve from monkeys (or from chimps or bonobos or gorillas) we evolved alongside them. They evolved, we evolved, fruit evolved, and so on. Its not a matter of time as Maher implies, because monkeys would never, even if you could watch them evolve and reproduce for a billion years, then turn back time and replay the tape a billion times, evolve into humans. Which brings me to...

2: Evolution is not directed towards a specific goal or goals. if that was true, there are something like 10 million separate "goals" on this planet, species that undoubtably will, in the fullness of time, join in death the 99.9% of all "goals" that are now extinct, either by outright extinction, or by evolving into subspecies that look nothing like them.

EDIT: thats not to say I didn't understand the joke, btw

As I understand it, humans have been cooking food for so long now that it has guided our evolution. Thus we now have smaller teeth and jaw muscles and a shorter intestinal tract. Cooking has become a sort of external pre-digestive tract, tenderising meat, softening hard seeds, breaking down toxic and irritating substances in roots and leaves, and releasing nutrients bound up in plant cells.

You could say that humans are not omnivores, they are cookivores.
>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:
>> ^westy:
most omnivorous and meet eaters are..
2. Just because we can eat meat, like chimps and bonobos sometimes, doesn't mean we're designed to consume the huge quantities of flesh many humans (Uhmerikans) consume.
3. Shouldn't humans have important things like fangs and claws and stronger jaws or digestive fluid if we were designed for that purpose?

>> ^westy:
most omnivorous and meet eaters are..

:: deeeeep breath ::

-- My comments were an attempt to dispel the idea that the majority of vegetarians/vegans are some treehumping hypocritical carebear squad.

I'm not saying that meat is evil or trying to convert.
I simply feel like vegetarians/vegans get a lot of undo criticism for attempting to do something that benefits everyone.

This Mitchell & Webb is a prime example. And it leads to counter-vegetarian babble that is just, if not more, annoying..


-- So yeah Westy. People eat steaks rare, i like sushi, and it's common sense that any type of rotten food will make you sick.

Tho:
1. Most humans never eat fresh raw meat. So that point is sorta moot..

2. Just because we can eat meat, like chimps and bonobos sometimes, doesn't mean we're designed to consume the huge quantities of flesh many humans (Uhmerikans) consume.

3. Shouldn't humans have important things like fangs and claws and stronger jaws or digestive fluid if we were designed for that purpose?

4. If you found a three day old carrot or apple sitting in the sun.. you could still eat it. .. raw


-- Vegetarianism is a choice. For many (most) of us it's based on reasonable observations we come to.

Humans don't have hunt animals to survive the winter any more..
Plants are more easily produced, healthier, and have other benefits we know about and exploit already..

So it's frustrating that stereotypical thinking like this only adds to the stigma and dumb counterpoints of eating less meat.

to his last comment, i don't think that is a good idea. Chimps are like humans, stubborn, strong, and dense humans. Look, the bonobo is almost the same size as him, and probably 20x as strong. 2-3000 years down the road we start letting them out of the cages, along with 6 foot full size chimpanzees, (that are more aggressive then horny unlike those lil guys), and planet of the apes doesn't seem far off.

heheheheh.... cant stop giggling!!!! 1:50!!!! the bonobo gives a 'howdy' nod....hehehehe <can't catch breath> so cute... schmawy... avenge.. death...

He's the one on all fours running like a bonobo...who's teaching who?

Tags for this video have been changed from 'Sex, Confrontation, Agression, Chimp on chimp action, Bonobo' to 'Sex, Confrontation, Aggression, Chimp on chimp action, Bonobo, pygmy chimp' - edited by kronosposeidon

>> ^Fusionaut:
History of the universe:
.... nothing...BLAAAAM!!! PROTONS NUETRONS PROTONS NUETRONS ELECTRONS

.. that's pretty close from what I've read



Let me put it like this: I understand your concern.

The central point, which was the point of my earlier post, is the fact that, however unlikely, outlandish and ridiculous this all sounds, it is based upon, as far as ANY human being can tell, irrefutable evidence, and lots of it.

A famous example, and a favorite quote-mine among creationists is this sentence from Charles Darwin:

"To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."

What creationists always omit, of course, is that this sentence is a build-up and an introduction to an explanation of exactly HOW the eye COULD in fact have evolved by natural selection, an explanation that has, in large part, been confirmed by tests and evidence later.

Anyway, the point is this: I could admit, as Darwin partially did, that the ENTIRE theory of evolution, the thesis that every single animal has evolved from a 3 billion old ancestor and thus ALL life, from banana to bacteria to bonobo and even human, has evolved all from a common ancestor, seems freely to be ABSURD IN THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE DEGREE.

So why do I still accept it?

Because of the evidence. The evidence shows, with crystal clear precision, just like it shows that atoms are real, or that bacteria cause disease, that evolution happened, and that, in the grand scheme of things, we humans are more or less closely related to every living thing ever examined.

And this is also the case for the theories about "nothing...BLAAAAM!!! PROTONS NUETRONS PROTONS.........." Its not that scientists really want it to be this way, or that they have some "something out of nothing" fetish, this is what the EVIDENCE tells us. There simply is nothing in that evidence about a guide or god of any kind, and even if there was, we would have an entirely new, even bigger problem to begin with.

Why did Bonobos evolve such different social behavior from Chimps? This is because Chimps lived in an area that was shared with Gorillas. There was more competition for food therefore the females spent most of their time climbing trees in search of food for themselves and their young, unable to form close bonds with the group. Female Chimps are constantly harassed and raped in Chimp society (unlike our own.) Bonobos on the other hand lived in areas where most of their food can be found on the ground, and there was little competition from other large primates. This made it easy for the mothers to find food, and they were able to spend more time bonding with the other Bonobos. I think humans are much closer to Chimps than Bonobos in this regard. One of my theories on why women haven’t accomplished as much as men have throughout history…well as soon as we even get a chance, we get pregnant and spend most of our lives raising the men who rule our world. This is slowly changing as females get more choice in the matter (no in all countries…) but as mother and wives I’ve always felt that behind every great man there was a great woman. Anyways…MY POINT IS…if we strive towards a Bonobo-esque society, it’ll be constant sexual fun for all!
But I guess no one can say for sure...I mean there are so many human women who are underhanded and vicious bitches, so I think the key is to strive for a society of equality (race, sexuality, gender) and for everyone to strive to just be better human beings as a whole.

Another good video if you are interested

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eubDSQrFako

Today I was in my philosophy of religion class. My professor began to talk about religious figures trying to separate animals such as chimps and Bonobos from humans. He said that every reason they have given has crumbled in their hands (he mentioned things like emotion, use of tools, problem solving) He brought up Pope John’s claim that humans are different from Chimps because God gave us souls. Since there is no proof of a “soul” per say, he asked the class of other differences. I put up my hand and said “many people use the defense that Chimps do not have self awareness and humans do.” To this he mentioned a study which as conducted on Chimps. What they did was they put a blue mark on a Chimps forehead. Then they put him in front of a mirror, and the Chimp stared…and raised his finger to his forehead touching the mark. He knew that that was him in the mirror, he was aware of his body. They did this to monkeys and other animals like dogs and cats, and they just thought the mirror was another animal. I found this super cool and interesting as evidence that Chimps are self aware of their existence in the sense that they know who they are when they see themselves, they know their body (unlike other animals mentioned above) now in the sense of questioning their existence, that’s probably a level only humans have achieved thus far.

If a bonobo and a llama built a treefort on a fault line, how many bushels of corrugated sheet metal would it take to reinforce the buttresses of a -- FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.

Think. Think. Think. Mother! WHY DID YOU DRESS ME IN YOUR NAUGHTY CLOTHING AND LEAVE ME IN DADDIES OFFICE?!

Don't kill Blankfist. He's just a man -- NO! HE'S AN ALIEN. Yes... yes, just an alien... but what if he's one of the bad aliens?

HE KILLED YOUR BRUTE. THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW.

It's just a game. Don't hate the player, hate the --

IDIOT, GAMES ARE YOUR LIFE. KILL THE BLANKFIST.

No, mother, no! SEIG HEIL! No, I hate the nazis. YOU LOVE THEM. i hate them...

YOU LOVE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God is love god is love god is -- KILL!!!!!!

On April 19, 1943 Dr. Hofmann intentionally ingested 250 µg of LSD, which he hypothesized would be a threshold dose, based on other ergot alkaloids. After ingesting the substance Hofmann was struggling to speak intelligibly and asked his laboratory assistant, who knew of the self-experiment, to escort him home on his bicycle, due to the lack of available vehicles during wartime restrictions. On the bicycle ride home, Hofmann's condition became more severe and in his journal he stated that everything in his field of vision wavered and was distorted, as if seen in a curved mirror. Hofmann also stated that while riding on the bicycle, he had the sensation of being stationary, unable to move from where he was, despite the fact that he was moving very rapidly. Once Hofmann arrived safely home, he summoned a doctor and asked his neighbour for milk, believing it may help relieve the symptoms. Hofmann wrote that despite his delirious and bewildered condition, he was able to choose milk as a nonspecific antidote for poisoning. Upon arriving, the doctor could find no abnormal physical symptoms other than extremely dilated pupils. After spending several hours terrified that his body had been possessed by a demon, that his next door neighbour was a witch, and that his furniture was threatening him, Dr. Hofmann feared he had become completely insane. In his journal Hofmann said that the doctor saw no reason to prescribe medication and instead sent him to his bed. At this time Hofmann said that the feelings of fear had started to give way to feelings of good fortune and gratitude, and that he was now enjoying the colours and plays of shapes that persisted behind his closed eyes. Hofmann mentions seeing "fantastic images" surging past him, alternating and opening and closing themselves into circles and spirals and finally exploding into coloured fountains and then rearranging themselves in a constant flux. Hofmann mentions that during the condition every acoustic perception, such as the sound of a passing automobile, was transformed into optical perceptions. Eventually Hofmann slept and upon awakening the next morning felt refreshed and clearheaded, though somewhat physically tired. He also stated that he had a sensation of well being and renewed life and that his breakfast tasted unusually delicious. Upon walking in his garden he remarked that all of his senses were "vibrating in a condition of highest sensitivity, which then persisted for the entire day".

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>> ^poolcleaner:
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