@newtboy

Oh, absolutely, the video is poorly titled. I'll give you that.

But everything else you wrote is, for lack of a better term, uninformed.

Certainly commercial meat suppliers in first world countries like the U.S. have bowed to the "politically correct" demands of PETA to "humanely" kill animals. Poultry are knocked unconscious (with electric shocks) before having their throats slit while larger animals like cows are killed with a single shot to the head. Concern with how "humanely" the animals are killed is rather comical given the conditions under which most commercial animals are bred and raised, but that's an issue for another thread.

Now, if you think stuff like this video doesn't happen in places like the U.S. I'm gonna guess you don't realize what happens on typical farms where people raise livestock for their dinner table as opposed to commercial sale. People kill animals exactly in this and similar ways--slitting their throats, beheading them with axes, grabbing poultry by the head and breaking their necks, etc. Don't believe me? Check out this thread on how to kill a chicken. What happens in this video happens across first world countries, including the U.S., on a daily basis. Your shock comes from the fact that modern society has insulated you from the killing by hiding it from you.

Now, the people in this video are probably not living in a first world country, and we've already established that even if they were the animal would likely be butchered in a similar way if it is being prepared for personal use as opposed to commercial sale. They're most likely doing it the way it's been done there for hundreds if not thousands of years using the tools available to them to get the job done. Slashing the carotid artery is the fastest and most painless way (compared to other methods) to kill the camel. I can't think of a faster or more painless way other than shooting it in the head (which still risks ricochets and assumes personal gun ownership is legal in the country where this is happening).

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I'm totally with you there. I think metered Internet might be the inevitable future - but current "overage" type pricing once you pass your quota is complete gouging. It should be more along a utility model- like your electricity. Also like the idea of cities creating municipal broadband utilities.

>> ^Matthu:

Anyways, I don't mean to be heated, I just worry about corporations controlling the internet like they control T.V. deciding what we look at when we look at it.
I'm not 100% against UBB, I'm not a network analyst, I don't know the implications. "Unlimited" seems dumb at face value, bandwidth is simply not unlimited. They should never have offered it in the first place.
However, I've heard multiple times how little it costs for them to deliver a GB, the MOST I've heard is 5 cents. So to markup 5 cents to 2-5$ is just greedy, and it flies due to lack of competition.
Also. Bell lied to my mommy. Case in point.
@deathcow

Anyways, I don't mean to be heated, I just worry about corporations controlling the internet like they control T.V. deciding what we look at when we look at it.

I'm not 100% against UBB, I'm not a network analyst, I don't know the implications. "Unlimited" seems dumb at face value, bandwidth is simply not unlimited. They should never have offered it in the first place.

However, I've heard multiple times how little it costs for them to deliver a GB, the MOST I've heard is 5 cents. So to markup 5 cents to 2-5$ is just greedy, and it flies due to lack of competition.

Also. Bell lied to my mommy. Case in point.

@deathcow

>> ^deathcow:

> Everything except their networks seems to increase in size and capability, which is an odd thing.
All the ISP's I'm aware of have RADICALLY increased bandwidth and package offerings. It's called survival.


Sorry, you're way outta line here, deathcow.

What are they surviving from? The deadly competitive world of telecommunications? What a joke. There are TWO networks in Canada, TWO. That's a duopoly. Bell and Rogers. That's it. They don't need to have illegal closed door meetings whereby they can be accused of collusion. No, all Bell needs to do is release a statement saying hey, we're capping our lines at 25g/b a month, Rogers will quickly follow suit.

Furthermore, they've only slightly increased the speed of their lines. And what's the point of increasing the speed of your lines if you put in place a deterrent so strong that no one maxes out their speed. It's a fucking joke,

"Oh good news insects! We've increased the speed of your lines from 750kB/s to 3MB/s! We're so first world, we make Ugandans faint. Oh, but remember, though we've quadrupled your speed, if you actually use your connection at the speed we've sold you, for more than 12 hours in a month, your bill will increase eightfold." That's just spitting in our faces.

Lastly, increasing the number of available packages is a scam. I know firsthand it's a scam, because when they first started rolling out UBB about a year ago, they unsolicitously called my mother to discuss some new plans.

You see, it turns out that even though they were allowed to go forward with UBB, they weren't allowed to impose it upon customers who already had agreements.

So they called my mother and told her they have greatly improved plans, they told her they could switch her to a plan where her connection would be more reliable, faster and her computer would get infected with fewer viruses. You tell me of an ISP who can eliminate viruses from the internet. Yeah, that's right, they threatened her with viruses. So, she says,

"Why thank you kind sir, I really appreciate the time you've taken to call me with the aim of improving my internet experience. I'd love this new package."

The scum never told her that in doing so she forfeits her "grandfathered" unlimited account and would go from an infinite amount of download, to 60gb/month. I haven't yet succeeded in calculating infinity, but I can say with infrangible certainty that it is A LOT more than 60gb/month.

My mother has lived in Canada her whole life, and thus has been a paying customer of Bell for over 40 years. They spit in their customers' faces as if we should be writing them thank you notes for providing us with phone and internet, when we subsidized the infrastructure they now dangle in front of us.

And you wanna talk about surviving competition? Businesses that are in competition for customers, don't shit in their customers' faces.

Bell's Motto? "You don't like it? Fuck you, we'll cancel your shit. You can write a fucking letter to Rogers.

I feel bad that things I write are assumed to be facetious...I guess it's nobody's fault but my own

In reply to this comment by Skeeve:
I'm not sure if your comment was facetious or not, but you were pretty close to the mark. It's not the television networks (per se), but the television providers. The television providers are also the major ISPs and they know that if they can throttle the internet enough, or make it prohibitively expensive to use services like Netflix, then people will buy television service instead.

As I have said before, this is a pure money grab by the telecoms who have supported it. Luckily there are those few, like Telus, who have refused to change to UBB and have decried it as the money grab it is.
>> ^rottenseed:

>> ^marinara:
40 gigabit for 5$ that's shit.
that's like 8 movies on netflix. or 63 cents a movie.
lucky i'm in america don't see these costs.

That would change the dynamic of services like Netflix online. I wonder if the television networks have anything to do with this decision.

I'm not sure if your comment was facetious or not, but you were pretty close to the mark. It's not the television networks (per se), but the television providers. The television providers are also the major ISPs and they know that if they can throttle the internet enough, or make it prohibitively expensive to use services like Netflix, then people will buy television service instead.

As I have said before, this is a pure money grab by the telecoms who have supported it. Luckily there are those few, like Telus, who have refused to change to UBB and have decried it as the money grab it is.
>> ^rottenseed:

>> ^marinara:
40 gigabit for 5$ that's shit.
that's like 8 movies on netflix. or 63 cents a movie.
lucky i'm in america don't see these costs.

That would change the dynamic of services like Netflix online. I wonder if the television networks have anything to do with this decision.

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Fuck Zloktaz! He is just a puppet of the galactic confederacy.

Ghrh'ubb/Thqckhjct 2012!

They must be fucking trying to confuse me those bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because now I'm confused. I am so ridiculously for net neutrality which means all content and applications run over the interner are treated equally.

If this changes. If my internet in Canada becomes censored... Like in China... If the government tries to sway internet traffic by making some content/applications slower than others - I will be protesting in the streets night and day. And I've never protested anything.

In Canada, ISPs were throttling torrents, then, from my understanding, the CRTC (Canadas FCC) declared that throttling certain applications over others was illegal. However it currently remains the responsibility of the customer to determine whether they are being throttled and file a claim. ISPs throttling of the internet is not policed by our government as well it should be. This remains a problem.

In Canada we have a duopoly. Bell and Rogers(Videotron in Quebec) control the whole network. They have recently eliminated unlimited internet plans. Now they've switched to UBB(useage based billing). Anyone who already had an account would retain a "grandfathered" account which meant they would retain their unlimited plans. Bell, however, employed vicious aggressive tactics to eliminate as many grandfathered accounts as possible. This happened to my mother. What they did was they called her and offered her a "free upgrade". They told her she'd have fewer viruses and a faster internet. They did not tell her she would lose her grandfathered unlimited GB plan. Now we're limited to 80 GB a month and charged for every GB over.

As far as UBB goes - it's not the end of the world. I suppose it's fair to pay for the bandwidth you use. What I take issue with is that they offered it to begin with, and then employed disgusting tactics to get rid of it. Tactics they used on customers who have been loyal to them for over 30 years.

Sorry to be so long-winded but this makes me RAAAAAGE.

tl;dr ISPs are evil. Protect Your Internet. WWW.SAVEOURNET.CA

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Threaded comments existed long before UBB and all that useless forum bloatware existed. It's very simple to implement threaded comments. It keeps things organized. The current system already privileges early posts so there's nothing to lose there. This just makes it easier to follow a debate without extraneous stuff in between.

There are ways to prevent responses to the first thread from crowding out the other threads:
1. Show only the topic lines of comments in the summary view
2. Show the threads in reverse chronological order, like nearly every forum in the universe excepting slashdot.
3. Combination of 1 & 2.