He's right about the organic food marketing fad, but he's wrong about water.

Sounds like you believe what they want you to believe. McDonalds hamburgers are not cheap... For the same $6-7 quarterpounder "meal" that takes them ten seconds to make and costs them pennies to make(since the ingredients are SHIT), I could have made a completely organic feast for many in fifteen minutes, the amount of time it would take me to go to the mcdonalds down the street and back, while also spending gas. Organic food is not cheap either.

They dont have to raise costs, that is a hoax, a lie perpetrated by the business elite, all they need are a few good accountants, a smart business plan of equality and a corporate ethic that does not exude greed and massive wealth consumption (benefits at the expense of many).

A good example of fast food done alright is In N Out. They pay their employees better than most shit fuck corporate chains, they use some organic ingredients and I could get a much better "meal" for a couple of dollars less than McDs.

It is not the liberals who are winning... it is the fat cats. And it looks like that they have won you over with their think tanks and media propaganda just like the vast majority of the populous.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^ghark:
Organic food
Feed the hungry
Punish those that created the problems
Deal with Monsanto
Stop the fake 'wars' (on drugs for example)
Doesn't seem crazy to me?
I used to really hate her with a passion, I thought her show was atrocious, but she makes real sense here, certainly a lot more than any 'mainstream' American politician I've heard recently. Good luck to her!

You thought "Roseanne" was atrocious? Get the fuck out of my country!

>> ^ghark:

Organic food
Feed the hungry
Punish those that created the problems
Deal with Monsanto
Stop the fake 'wars' (on drugs for example)
Doesn't seem crazy to me?
I used to really hate her with a passion, I thought her show was atrocious, but she makes real sense here, certainly a lot more than any 'mainstream' American politician I've heard recently. Good luck to her!


You thought "Roseanne" was atrocious? Get the fuck out of my country!

Organic food
Feed the hungry
Punish those that created the problems
Deal with Monsanto
Stop the fake 'wars' (on drugs for example)

Doesn't seem crazy to me?

I used to really hate her with a passion, I thought her show was atrocious, but she makes real sense here, certainly a lot more than any 'mainstream' American politician I've heard recently. Good luck to her!

Wait, hold on here. I appreciate that the girl is taking an interest in science, but the adult(s) guiding her have made some serious errors. Even if we ignore the fact that the experiment should have tested all three potatoes at the same time and conditions, the most she could have concluded from her study was that potatoes with the additive were less likely to sprout in the given time frame.

Instead, she's claiming that the additive can cause cancer in animals, and then saying that an unnamed number of chemicals, presumably added to food, cause cancer in humans. Whoever was guiding her just taught her how to perform an experiment and then make claims that have nothing to do with what she was testing. It's disappointing to see what could have been a successful small scale science test turn into vague, unsubstantiated organic food propaganda.

>> ^DonanFear:

It's really simple, locally grown is way better. Organic or non-organic doesn't matter.
Support your local farmer or grow your own stuff. If you go to the supermarket and buy "organic" stuff, you're just wasting your money.


exactly, the reason why people find organic food local sources easily is because unless they are selling that overpriced version (ie organic), they can't compete with the volume from BIG FARMING

would you compare the McD french fries to deep fried "real food" potatoes? i think its biased comparing cooked food to uncooked food when it comes to molding or decomposition... in a lot of places where refrigeration isn't available cooking is the method of preserving raw food surplus for later use.... please make your own burger and fries using only organic food... cook them properly then keep them in your lunch box for the next 4 years to compare.

and what does inability to decompose/break down in air have anything to do with digestion or human health, don't you eat grains, spices, grains, beans... honey!... all these things won't get "the thing you find at the corner of your shower" when you keep them for too long... are they "not real food" too

don't get me wrong, i agree that McDonalds is "super" unhealthy, but i doubt if it's because of the reasons you mentioned.

>> ^entr0py:
This might be too cynical, but it seems like the anti-bottled water campaign is being driven by the same sort of people who bought all the bottled water in the first place.

Seems like a fair point -- it's exactly the kind of thing affluent liberals go for.

Ordinary product plus promise of extra purity = $$$

It's the fact that your money is buying more purity than other people know to that serves as the status symbol among the liberal elite snobs. Conspicuous consumption for its own sake is still more of a conservative thing.

I suspect we're going to go through the same thing with organic food, with people saying we should focus on sustainable food instead.

>> ^Heartspark:

You missed the whole point. The whole reason from the START is why mass produced food started was because supply and demand could not keep up with making food from organic means. That is why organic food is expensive, it does cost more than mass produced food because more work is needed in the long haul to the store. Try farm grazing cows naturally for 300 million people and then wonder why meat cost you a paycheck each month. Sure you can make a hamburger NOW for the same price as a big mac and its healthier..
You simply can't have mass produced organic food, for healthy meals at home in todays world.
I have nothing against what he is doing, its Nobel and good he is taking a stance naturally. Its simply unrealistic goals..as of now.


Uh there are countries that have the climate to graze cows on pasture all year round and meat in them does not cost a monthly paycheck, i should know, i have lived in two (Aus and NZ). Some countries have harsher winters (the UK for example) and need to bring the cattle indoors so they survive the winter months, which is fair enough, it's about being practical. I never said everything had to be organic, that is just an argument you're making to try and sidestep the issue Jamie is talking about, which is that families need to start eating more whole foods in their diet and school lunches.

As far as feeding 300 million people organically, do you have a peice of lawn bigger than a few square feet? Do you have a veranda or balcony that gets the sun? You do realise you that you can create a garden in that space and grow some of you're own food if it really becomes an issue, all you need is water and a little knowledge on gardening - or would you be worried about getting your hands dirty? Feeding the world on organic food was never and will never be the issue, the problem is that people take the route of least resistance and would prefer to just get all their food at one place - the supermarket.

>> ^ghark:
>> ^Heartspark:
He has lots of bad points in that speech though.
For one he fails to understand lots of things about food industry. Simply put you can NOT in this day and age go back to provide natural food in everything. The reason you get a big mac for $1 and not $18 is because it's mass produced.
Supple and demand would simply not happen at all in the world he wants.
In fact, if you wanted to make a meal like he wants for every school in america to be healthy, you would simply bankrupt the school because it would send costs skyrocketing (esp when schools now are having a hardtime).
You have to understand, its not simply a matter of food, its a matter of peoples mindset. People in Asia don't think rice and fish are disgusting, because they eat it in lots of meals. In the USA lots of kids don't care for it at all (unless its taco bell for rice and fish sticks in the oven).
For his "utopia" to work, it would cost hundreds of billions of dollars, millions of jobs at stake. So yes, we can afford not to do it.

You don't seem to understand the food industry yourself, the fast food isn't just cheap because of mass production, it's because the corn/wheat/soy industries are heavily subsidised by the government. Secondly, you exagerate your numbers, a non mass produced hamburger only costs a few dollars, i can make a healthy burger at home for not much more than a big mac and i'm sure a lunch lady can do just as well as me.
Not sure what your perogative is, but you seem to be on the wrong track, i suggest you educate yourself a little on what real food is, and the reasons Jamie is doing what he is.


You missed the whole point. The whole reason from the START is why mass produced food started was because supply and demand could not keep up with making food from organic means. That is why organic food is expensive, it does cost more than mass produced food because more work is needed in the long haul to the store. Try farm grazing cows naturally for 300 million people and then wonder why meat cost you a paycheck each month. Sure you can make a hamburger NOW for the same price as a big mac and its healthier..

You simply can't have mass produced organic food, for healthy meals at home in todays world.

I have nothing against what he is doing, its Nobel and good he is taking a stance naturally. Its simply unrealistic goals..as of now.

>> ^billpayer:
Bid Mac's SHOULD cost $18. Then poor people would not eat them. We cannot afford the cost of meat = deforestation + Global warming. School kids woudl be much better of with less calories and heathier options, plus think of all the jobs in catering for the economy both in school/work and high street. Reverse the strife that the corporations have caused. Local markets and laocal resteraunts.



That would not happen, not even close. What you just described is the exact opposite of what would happen.
More farm land would happen for more crops (more deforestation) because not enough land to grow + harvest organic food for the whole population. Global warming has nothing to do with it, not sure why you even put that in there.

Children DO have a choice, they can bring own meals, they don't have to eat everything on the menu just because it is there. Thats a parents problem, not a food problem. How many families you see today making kids eat veggies during a meal like the did when parents grew up? not many

Seems to me the issue on display in the video is "Whole Foods commits fraud to increase profit margins", not their labor practices.

It also seems to me that one can be against a particular stupid thing a union does, or even against a particular union whose management you find wrongheaded, without finding the need to defend all anti-union sentiment.

There's no reason for Whole Foods to underpay their workers, when they are ultimately a high-end, high-margin kind of shop. Seems a union could fix that kind of issue nicely.

It also seems that better government oversight (and QAI protecting their reputation better) would help to combat dishonest crooks from labeling non-organic food organic, and selling it to people who want to pay a premium for a certain type of product, but instead get a generic knockoff product.

BTW, "right to work" means the state forbids employers and unions from including exclusivity into their mutually agreed upon private contracts. In other words, "right to work" is a socialist mop.

The only real organic food comes from organs...I think.

According to this, people have a strong bias to respond to complex questions with a default answer.

That's why otherwise intelligent people think the answer to every policy is just a shake of the magic 8-ball of conservative answers.

For liberals, it's more of a knee-jerk desire to protect an underdog, a desire to bitch and moan about how what the current authority is doing wrong, a desire to eschew materialism, and a desire to uphold their version of purity by pushing for organic food, clean air and water, and ecological preservation.

I think the real "default" has to do with the politics of your parents. I suspect most people derive their political views from their parents, either by adopting them directly, or because their parents' politics drove them to convert to the opposition as a way of forging their independence in their teenage years.