So are you enjoying high unemployment, a looted Treasury run by a tax cheat, an arrogant Congress, weakened standing in the world and soon-to-be post-office-quality health care??

“The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.

The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.” -WISE author unknown


>> ^thinker247:

I would have voted for a Kenyan witch doctor if it meant that the Maverick and his Bumbling Sidekick wouldn't have brought their ridiculous views of the ®eal Ameri©a into the White House.
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I would have voted for a Kenyan witch doctor if it meant that the Maverick and his Bumbling Sidekick wouldn't have brought their ridiculous views of the ®eal Ameri©a into the White House.
>> ^quantumushroom:

If people had actually been informed in '08 about who and what he was, he'd never have been elected. Kenya dig it?

Tags for this video have been changed from 'tom, cruise, maverick, goose, iceman' to 'tom, cruise, maverick, goose, iceman, Kenny Loggins' - edited by ctrlaltbleach

>> ^NordlichReiter:

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
^I don't see Sarah Palin ever getting nominated or elected at the top of the ticket. The Republican party is too misogynist for that to happen.

I know its bad, but for once that is a good thing.


I get the feeling that Republican presidents don't have much say in actual governance, they're just colorful figureheads. Ronald the wise Grandpa, George the born again Cowboy, John the centrist Maverick, Sarah the hot soccer mom and Mitt the crazy ass Mormon are characters that different sets of people can identify with. It's the Cheneys, Rumsfelds and Wolfowitzes who pull the strings, regardless of who's in the driver's seat.

Come on... Just because someone calls himself a Maverick repeatedly, doesn't necessarily mean he considers himself one...

Damn mainstream media distorting things again!

That sounds like a bunch of holistic hoo-ha. I can believe that chronic pain would make somebody grumpy, but I don't think that has anything at all to do with what McCain is doing with his political credibility.

He's revealed himself to be a weather-vane of a politician who'll say whatever is expedient at the moment. The whole maverick thing is just icing.

I tried this one waaaay back when....good luck getting these folks interested in anyone maverick or renaissance who had balls, skills, and tenacity-Thors' a piece a work...i keep a copy of Kon Tiki inna stack above the crapper....(Seee ladies??!...Yer magazines and what not stay OUT of the spray one!!)

This landing wouldn't have been aborted had Maverick been there to talk him through it.

"With the creation of the maser in 1954, the promise of unlocking unlimited sources of fusion atomic energy from the heavy hydrogen in sea water and consequently the availability of unlimited social power was a possibility only decades away."

Energy resources and the ability to control those resources to control populations is the linchpin for those who would maintain power and empire-Since the 50's the planet has had the technological capacity to work to achieve this, yet we still float along using oil, coal, natural gas, and fucking fusion reactors (idiocy) etc., as the primary means of producing energy.
Why?? Did the world suddenly stop spinning in one direction and fall into a retrograde orbit? Do the agencies in control of releasing information to the general public continue to suppress not only this information while feeding us disinformation??-This practice does not suddenly disappear simply because wars are fought and won, they are maintained because they work to keep empires alive and viable.

Compile a list of names of anyone who has introduced theories who have been methodically and systematically repressed or lambasted, and you will find a pattern. Nikola Tesla, Wilhelm Reich, Viktor Schauberger, Thomas Townsend Brown, Eugene Mallove, Stanley Meyer, most of whom were killed or forced into seclusion, are just a short and rather famous list of mavericks in the quest for energy alternatives in use since the onset of the industrial era. What about the average joes who have managed to create from parts in their sheds, devices which increase the efficiency of fuel engines? Most are bought out or disappear shortly after the public manages t oget wind of their successes. Accident?? Coincidence?? TO BELIEVE THIS IS FOLLY, THE WORST KIND....DENIAL-is only there because the information needed to make proper conclusions is repressed, altered, or driven out as insanity or hogwash.

Control energy, control mankind, it's simple. We have had free or incredibly cheap and renewable energy for some time now, but assholes who think they know what is best for the planet hold all the keys, and have put all the locks in place. It is the task of everyone to become locksmiths.

Thanks for the promote geo!

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>> ^EmptyFriend:
I worked as a teller for BoA for a while (like 5 months after college while looking a job in my field) and really had no bad experiences with it. Yeah it wasn't the same as working with a collections department, but to say that all of BoA is concerned only with profits and hates other banks and all that isn't really true. We had to go out of our way to help people whether they had hardly any money, or millions (we had a couple Dallas Mavericks come in sometimes).

Of course the tellers are nice. That's part of your front end business/marketing team. Make the customer feel comfortable with you. "Hey come have some cookies" and "how may I help you today sir/ma'am?" Get them to think that you're their friend and you're on their side. Then suggest that you have a new promotion on a credit card with a really low interest rate that's available exclusively for BofA members. Make them feel like their part of the "team". Then when they bite, you exploit them with all of the things written in the fine print in that contract they signed.

I'm not a fan of government getting their dick-skinners into business. But as far as these predatory credit card scams...I don't know why the government hasn't made strict guidelines as to how a bank must conduct itself. I mean, doing so doesn't have to mean banks have to stop making money or have to lose money. I'm just saying the government needs to protect those less savvy about credit and debt and keep the banks from exploiting these poor fools.

In many cases, the bank is fucking up a person's life for an unnecessary extra 15%

I worked as a teller for BoA for a while (like 5 months after college while looking a job in my field) and really had no bad experiences with it. Yeah it wasn't the same as working with a collections department, but to say that all of BoA is concerned only with profits and hates other banks and all that isn't really true. We had to go out of our way to help people whether they had hardly any money, or millions (we had a couple Dallas Mavericks come in sometimes).

My wife and I are huge savers, so the thought of credit card debt is very foreign to me. It sounds like this "program" that people get qualified for is some kind of debt consolidation payment plan system. If you get denied, it sounds like you just need to use one of the other businesses whose function is doing that.

I'm not sure how much benefit BoA would really get from going out of their way to help out the debters, I really can't picture them paying off their debt and then opening up a new credit card with BoA and starting it all over again...

and about her speaking ("aks")... I'm sure compared to a lot of people in Georgia, she speaks very well.

or maybe she's from the future (futurama).

It's cute. The Republicans have their own little rock star. And they can pout when she stands them up!

Quite fickle, too. "I love Palin! I'm gonna buy her book and stand in line to get her autograph because she's a maverick! What? She's not coming? Well, I ain't supportin' that good-fer-nothin' quitter!"

These people are so cookoo for cocoa puffs!

WP, you have so many arguable points there that you state as fact, it is rather intimidating, which is no doubt why you went to such lengths.

Just to mix it up, I'll do yours in reverse.

^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
..I'd say your opinion of the Republican party's unity is somewhat exaggerated. There are innumerable factions in the GOP. The Democrat as I see it is far more efficient about corralling in thier 'mavericks'. This whole health care debate has only gotten this far because of the extremist fringe Democrats stomping on the necks of the moderates.


So during the Bush years, when Dixie chicks were called terrorists, when anyone who had an opposing view was universally considered by the right as 'empowering' the terrorists, when people who had objections to the Patriot Act were told vote for this or 9/11 will happen again... those were not 'neck-stomping' tactics as you so racially.. er... cleverly put it?


What about when all the protests occurred when the President was going to 'indoctrinate' our children in schools? Several news outlets interviewed principals who had taken calls from concerned parents, and while they were used to dealing with upset parents, what made it so special was how all the parents used the same phrases over and over, as if they had all heard it somewhere. Hmmmm... I wonder how that might have happened?

Neolib talking points come from a variety of musicians, but the song is always the exact same song. Similarly, right wing talking points come from from way more sources than just Limbaugh & Beck but the message is almost identical.

Are you suggesting that all people who feel the way you describe throughout your comment are 'Neolibs'? Are you not the same man who had four or five different flavors of conservative just to make sure your views weren't mixed in with all the plebians? Are you at least willing to admit that sometimes people who are not 'Neolib' (which means whatever conservatives think it means I guess) might possible share some of the same opinions on things? You are being either accidentally imprecise there, or deliberately accusatory hoping to put people on the defensive. You should probably look into that.

Still, to suggest the Democrats are even half as organized and on point as Republicans does not agree with the facts at hand. Republicans were able to push through controversial policies much more effectively than the Democrats have so far... that is almost solely due to their speaking with one voice, vs the Democrats all listening to all sides and giving and taking.. thereby weakening their relative position.

Most voters are sheep who join a "big party" and they are too consumed with cheering on their 'team' than caring whether their team is a bunch of self-serving jackasses. It is very similar to the tunnel vision fanboi-ism rampant in modern US sports. "Kobe Bryant is a rapist? M'eh - who cares as long as he wins games..." Sigh.

I've been guilty of going off point myself, so I won't mock or question your use of Kobe Bryant's crimes as if it were somehow meant to be on topic. We are fellow independents... and I would have gladly voted Ron Paul in the last primaries if Kentucky would allow Independent voters to vote during primaries.. alas it was not to be. I voted for the person most likely to let me live my life unimpeded.. and ironically, it was the 'big government Democrat'.

The vast bulk of American voters are fiscal conservatives who want smaller government, balanced budgets, less spending, & lower taxes. Sadly, all we end up with are left wing liberal extremist tax & spenders like Bush & Obama.

Okay... now I know you're kidding... Bush was a left wing liberal??? And you still call yourself moderate? That has to be a joke. For what it's worth, I'm all for smaller government, it is a sad day when I have to vote Democratic to get it. Give me a viable Independent candidate or Ron Paul and I'll be all over it. But until then you can only judge the choices you are given.

There are more ways to approach 'peace' than the neolib world view accepts.

There was a lot more about your comment than I quoted, and while I disagree with your statement that Carter was a Neolib (because that terminology wasn't even in use then) I agree there are many ways to pursue peace. What I'm curious about is that obviously the way Bush did it (pissing off the world, and when they objected telling them to eat sh*t and die) didn't work, perhaps we should try something different.

Or to quote you back, "There are more ways to approach 'peace' than the neoCON world view accepts."

Oh, and the guy who's doing it won a peace prize thanks to his efforts. I'm pretty sure if you want to know if you are promoting peace, you ask other countries.. just like if you want to know if someone isn't an asshole, you don't ask him, you ask people who know him.


Wow.. this is hard WP, kudos for doing this all the time.

Then some uppity black man talks about stuff like dignity, peace, empathy, pride, geneva conventions, and not killing people

His policies are what people object to, not skin melanin. There are more ways to approach 'peace' than the neolib world view accepts. Carter is a neolib, has a NPP, and his weak policies all but created modern world terrorism via Iran. Reagan was a hawk who ended the cold war through Brinkmanship & arms buildups. A Dove that created violence, and a Hawk that established peace... Clearly this whole 'peace' thing is a bit more complicated myopically pursuing neolib policies of unilateral disarmament. Peace is a cycle of pressure, buildup, and release - and the "Nevile Chamberlain" school of appeasement merely prolongs the 'buildup' stage and makes the 'release' more problematic.

If you don't like being mixed in with all those various conservative groups, you shouldn't allow them to act like they speak for the entire block of conservatives as they yell and shout.

"Shouldn't allow?" I'm afraid that my belief in Freedom of Speech makes that kind of approach unfeasible. The real issue here is one where people like myself who are fiscal conservatives are the antithesis of BOTH major US political parties. What we true conservatives want would END the free lunch. NEITHER party wants that to happen. The vast bulk of American voters are fiscal conservatives who want smaller government, balanced budgets, less spending, & lower taxes. Sadly, all we end up with are left wing liberal extremist tax & spenders like Bush & Obama.

But the fact remains, there were no tea party gatherings under Bush.

The objections were there. Even you acknowledge it. The national attention was more consumed with Iraq war protesting. I'm an unaffiliated voter, and I didn't vote Republican so my objections had little weight I deem. Most voters are sheep who join a "big party" and they are too consumed with cheering on their 'team' than caring whether their team is a bunch of self-serving jackasses. It is very similar to the tunnel vision fanboi-ism rampant in modern US sports. "Kobe Bryant is a rapist? M'eh - who cares as long as he wins games..." Sigh.

Because whatever you can say about Barack Obama, he hasn't done ANY damage to the Constitution that wasn't done by dozens of men before him. And to hear people throwing the Constitution around now just rings hollow.

If people who were howling about the Constitution under Bush were also howling about it now, then there would at least be consistency. To hear neolibs howl about the constitution under Bush but fall silent now - as you say - "rings hollow".

Also, one last point, if you think Liberals get their arguments from any one place, that sadly proves you have little information about liberals as a group

Neolib talking points come from a variety of musicians, but the song is always the exact same song. Similarly, right wing talking points come from from way more sources than just Limbaugh & Beck but the message is almost identical.

Say what you will about Republicans, they are ALWAYS... ALWAYS on point, and they take no goddamn prisoners.

I'd say your opinion of the Republican party's unity is somewhat exaggerated. There are innumerable factions in the GOP. The Democrat as I see it is far more efficient about corralling in thier 'mavericks'. This whole health care debate has only gotten this far because of the extremist fringe Democrats stomping on the necks of the moderates.