>> ^rebuilder:

The human mind is morally compromised. My proof? The entirety of human history.

This seems like a lazy copout to me. There is plenty of good in the history of humanity, for one, but most of all, the human mind is the basis of humanity's morality. To say someone is morally compromised you need to compare it to moral standards, that are derived and developed by the human mind over time.
>> ^ghark:

I loved how he quickly dealt with the guy that yelled out "it's fictional" - that quieted down what I sensed was an air of religious zealotry in the room.

I really like that too, in fact he makes it clear from the beginning that both scenarios are fictional, in order to refute in advance the "it's okay cuz it's just a story/metaphor" excuse. This always reminds me of Luke 19:27, the end of an absolutely terrible parable Jesus is telling, and I quote: "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
Whenever I use this example to argue that Jeebs isn't all love and peace either, I am told "well it's a parable". Yes, but what are the moral principles it is trying to convey? That God is a like a tyrant who will destroy anyone who does not obey or refuse his rule.

As for you apologists, no matter which way you twist it, God clearly gives his assent for Job to be tortured and tormented for no reason. Omnibenevolent and omnipotent? Then evil. QED.

Or you can wash my feet with your hair, tears and perfume!
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How about a courtly nod at 10 paces? Jesus would surely take no offense in that.

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If it makes you feel better I can airslap Issy as well

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
Frankly I'm a little uncomfortable with the air slap. I'M A MARRIED MAN!!!

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*air-slap*


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*promote

I always love how Luke Skywalker brings The Joker to life.

Alright goddamit I'll say it - while it provides a nice memory of the first time we understood the Luke/Darth family connection, this looked totally staged to me.

Maybe he reacted like that the first time, and Dad grabbed the camera and they did it again, but I just don't buy it as the genuine article.

There, I feel better now.

>> ^Sagemind:

First of all, I also named my son Luke (after Luke skywalker), and then brought him up as a sci-fi, comic book, fantasy kid but from what I'm seeing, it may have backfired on me as Anime is slowly creeping in from his friends. It's like I have no control any more.
He's now ten, and although he still likes all the fanboy stuff I introduced him to, he's now expanding into stuff I know nothing about. First Bakugan, then Yu-Gi-oh, Pokemon and now something else that I don't know anything about(un-named because I don't know the name.
I think I've created a monster
>> ^lucky760:
I never saw any of these until I was a grown ass man, so I don't have any fond childhood memories of them, but I'm quite eager, if I'm being honest, to let my boy watch them when he's old enough. I'm planning on manipulating him into a sci-fi, comic book geek as he grows up.
(I just hope he doesn't find this comment when he's older and discover what I've done to him.)
P.S. The kid's dad must really be a Star Wars geek to have named is son Luke.



Sounds to me like it's time for you to start learning from him. That's the only way to level the playing field.

I've never watched much anime, but I've been trying to get into it recently in preparation for my son's future geekdom.

First of all, I also named my son Luke (after Luke skywalker), and then brought him up as a sci-fi, comic book, fantasy kid but from what I'm seeing, it may have backfired on me as Anime is slowly creeping in from his friends. It's like I have no control any more.
He's now ten, and although he still likes all the fanboy stuff I introduced him to, he's now expanding into stuff I know nothing about. First Bakugan, then Yu-Gi-oh, Pokemon and now something else that I don't know anything about(un-named because I don't know the name.

I think I've created a monster

>> ^lucky760:

I never saw any of these until I was a grown ass man, so I don't have any fond childhood memories of them, but I'm quite eager, if I'm being honest, to let my boy watch them when he's old enough. I'm planning on manipulating him into a sci-fi, comic book geek as he grows up.
(I just hope he doesn't find this comment when he's older and discover what I've done to him.)
P.S. The kid's dad must really be a Star Wars geek to have named is son Luke.

I never saw any of these until I was a grown ass man, so I don't have any fond childhood memories of them, but I'm quite eager, if I'm being honest, to let my boy watch them when he's old enough. I'm planning on manipulating him into a sci-fi, comic book geek as he grows up.

(I just hope he doesn't find this comment when he's older and discover what I've done to him.)

P.S. The kid's dad must really be a Star Wars geek to have named is son Luke.

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This was never in the movie - putting this in would be fucking with the movie.>> ^thumpa28:

Nah, this should have stayed in. Han isnt perfect, which makes his decision to join the rebellion more of a journey of personal development. 'Perfect' Han would have joined the rbellion anyway because he loves eeeeverybody. This is just the next extension of 'greedo (guido?) shot first'. Luke is plenty goody two shoes for everyone, Han is meant to be more Mal than Preacher. QUIT FUCKING WITH THE MOVIE.

Nah, this should have stayed in. Han isnt perfect, which makes his decision to join the rebellion more of a journey of personal development. 'Perfect' Han would have joined the rbellion anyway because he loves eeeeverybody. This is just the next extension of 'greedo (guido?) shot first'. Luke is plenty goody two shoes for everyone, Han is meant to be more Mal than Preacher. QUIT FUCKING WITH THE MOVIE.

Crimminy, he's sweating more than Cool Hand Luke.

That nobleman stands in for God/Jeebs in that parable. But you should ask shiny, for him we're all slaves to the all-powerful dictator, only some of us (that is the evil atheists) are rebellious against his power.

>> ^messenger:

A character in one of Jesus' parables says that line. It's a "nobleman" who steals from the poor to make the rich richer, and kills anyone who doesn't accept his supreme authority. Is that Jesus' example of good Christianity?>> ^razzyl:
>> ^luxury_pie:
So when he reigns the holy spirit out of everyone, will there be these other religions too? What is going to happen to them, when your/ our lord comes over?
I mean they will probably have a chance to accept him then right?

I think when the Second Coming, umm, comes, non-believers' pleas for acceptance will be drowned out by the gleeful sounds of Christians murdering the shit out of them.
Luke 19:27 “But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.”

A character in one of Jesus' parables says that line. It's a "nobleman" who steals from the poor to make the rich richer, and kills anyone who doesn't accept his supreme authority. Is that Jesus' example of good Christianity?>> ^razzyl:

>> ^luxury_pie:
So when he reigns the holy spirit out of everyone, will there be these other religions too? What is going to happen to them, when your/ our lord comes over?
I mean they will probably have a chance to accept him then right?

I think when the Second Coming, umm, comes, non-believers' pleas for acceptance will be drowned out by the gleeful sounds of Christians murdering the shit out of them.
Luke 19:27 “But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.”

That is not correct, he doesn't know what he is talking about. If you read the passage, it's referring to Christians and not the unsaved. It is the dichotomy between the good and wicked servant:

11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. 12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. 13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us. 15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.

17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. 18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds. 19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities. 20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: 21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow. 22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow: 23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury? 24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds. 25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)

25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.) 26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. 27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Luke 19:25-27 (KJV)


>> ^luxury_pie:
So if I am reading this correctly, Christians are planning on murdering us, unless we forsake our personal definition of life and our whole understanding of what it means to be human.
Well don't we have a place for people like that?
I don't want to be murdered... say tomorrow?! That just seems a bit harsh!

>> ^luxury_pie:

So when he reigns the holy spirit out of everyone, will there be these other religions too? What is going to happen to them, when your/ our lord comes over?
I mean they will probably have a chance to accept him then right?


I think when the Second Coming, umm, comes, non-believers' pleas for acceptance will be drowned out by the gleeful sounds of Christians murdering the shit out of them.

Luke 19:27 “But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.”