@FlowersInHisHair and @gwiz665

You missed the part about me being brave enough to be vulnerable.

Flowers, take my word for it. This fucks you up. Nitpick my choice of words if you want to. I knew I was going to be raked over the coals for being real here. I thought I might get an hour or maybe a supportive comment between me taking a risk emotionally and somebody coming in and being all Male-Sifty on me.

Gwiz, I am going to assume that you didn't read my comments. Because if you did, you are an asshole of stupendous proportions. You can hide behind all the "this is the internet, take your lumps" as you want. Be a fucking human being once in awhile, can't you? Give it a rest. Fuck.

>> ^BoneRemake:
Hows the discussion going ?


I have no idea? How is this supposed to be going?

I guess it breaks down into two points. We who say that nature is a process of learning in and of itself (Which, like math, Americans never seem to pay much attention to.) Then you have a select minority (So far just 1, actually, and maybe @gwiz, but I am not sure since his comment only mentioned someone was dead--and that in and of itself is not snuff,) who gives it a thumbs down...

Sooooo, in the name of wanting my video back (Or judged) how does this sifty thing worky?

woohoo congrats gwiz!

Woot, excellent! Grats gwiz! And other winners too!

You don't buy into that line of reasoning because it's inaccurate. The oppression is ongoing, though it has in many ways become less blatant and more systematic. The reason that you might "pay" for it, is because by virtue of being born into the world a white male (I assume), you benefit from a substantial amount of privilege compared to minority groups. The privilege you (and I, and all of us on the sift in different ways) enjoy is not due to any particular virtue or hard-work of our own, but because we were luck enough to be born into a certain group. When looked at that way, one sees that the whole point of minority rights groups IS equality, which is why they fight to bring their societal status UP to where you already benefit from being. And, yes, sometimes it means disadvantaging those who are at the top, in the name of an equal playing field.

To be clear, I think the women on the show are being cruel and insulting, but the idea that the actions of a few women, whether they call themselves feminists or not, are enough to damn all of feminism is RIDICULOUS. Do you think none of the civil rights movement have any validity because you disagree with the methods of Malcolm X?


>> ^blankfist:

>> ^Sarzy:
Women are allowed to be playfully sexist towards men for the same reason black people are allowed to be racist towards whites -- to make up for hundreds of years of oppression (that is still going on to some extent). It seems like a fair enough deal to me.

Hundreds of years of oppression by dead men. And now every future generation of white people must pay. I never bought into that line of reasoning. I hear it a lot, too.


Feminists do differentiate themselves. There are many different schools of thought within feminism.

And I think the political example is a bad one. The United States is a two party-system, where if you aren't an identified Democrat or Republican, you have little chance of being part of the next government. The parties encompass a highly diverse field, and sometimes, if you want to be in a position to make a difference, you have to associate with a few undesirables.

Furthermore, the Republican's outright endorsement of Tea Partiers is a far cry from feminists failing to condemn every single instance of "misandry".

Now that I think about it, why are we even asking feminists to differentiate themselves? There's already a differentiation. Feminism =/= Misandry.

>> ^Lawdeedaw:

@hpqp
Would you consider the Tea Party Republicans actual republicans? I would--even if they are a psychotic division of the branch. Because the Tea Party Hijacked its way into the republican party and republicans are not doing enough to kick them out. Instead, they are catering more and more to them. They are speaking up less and less. Does that make me prejudice? It is exactly the same reasoning I am using in this argument so you have to say, "yes." And to that I ask, why?
And if you say, "No, it's different," then your applying wishy-washy standards...
But even if I am "wrong" in my belief, calling me "prejudice" was a bit low for you, and I think you lost that argument simply for that insult.
In other words, I look at Gwiz's comments and that's exactly what I am saying. I just used different words. They (feminists) need to call themselves something different to differentiate themselves from all the assholes. Exactly the same thing. So point out to him what an analogy fail he made please and the fact that he is prejudiced too, since he thinks the definition of feminist is close to what I think it is...

@hpqp

Would you consider the Tea Party Republicans actual republicans? I would--even if they are a psychotic division of the branch. Because the Tea Party Hijacked its way into the republican party and republicans are not doing enough to kick them out. Instead, they are catering more and more to them. They are speaking up less and less. Does that make me prejudice? It is exactly the same reasoning I am using in this argument so you have to say, "yes." And to that I ask, why?

And if you say, "No, it's different," then your applying wishy-washy standards...

But even if I am "wrong" in my belief, calling me "prejudice" was a bit low for you, and I think you lost that argument simply for that insult.

In other words, I look at Gwiz's comments and that's exactly what I am saying. I just used different words. They (feminists) need to call themselves something different to differentiate themselves from all the assholes. Exactly the same thing. So point out to him what an analogy fail he made please and the fact that he is prejudiced too, since he thinks the definition of feminist is close to what I think it is...

I helped start a theater company years ago. We struggled with our mission statement. We wanted to call ourselves "feminist" because of all the negative crap that is attached to that word but we also felt it was restrictive, just as you say, Gwiz.

We ended up saying we were "feminist/humanist." Claimed being feminist proudly while saying we weren't sexist.

>> ^gwiz665:

As in, it should not be feminism, it should be "equalism".

I like it too but being close to computer illiterate, I backed away from downloading.... what? I couldn't figure out what to download.

I'm with gwiz -- can it be part of the sift automatically?

Although I am getting used to seeing it now -- at first, I couldn't even tell any difference, with all the soft gray.

This is true.
>> ^xxovercastxx:

>> ^JiggaJonson:
Gwiz might be able to do some translation (doubtful though)

I hear if you look in the mirror and say "@gwiz665, gwiz665, gwiz665" he'll appear before you... Probably holding 2 beers and not wearing any pants.

>> ^JiggaJonson:

Gwiz might be able to do some translation (doubtful though)


I hear if you look in the mirror and say "@gwiz665, gwiz665, gwiz665" he'll appear before you... Probably holding 2 beers and not wearing any pants.

Gwiz might be able to do some translation (doubtful though)

>> ^bareboards2:

http://videosift.com/video/Gwiz665-as-a-baby
I thought this might be the original of gwiz vid -- but I can't get it to play.


Yeah, *dead for me as well. FWIW, the original embed was from http://mindcrap.com/

I'll be in Gwiz's bunk. Right?