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"Literally no different from a pistol other than it can have better accuracy and sometimes higher caliber"

.38 (9mm), .40, .45 are the calibers you will see used by police pistols

.223 (5.56mm), .300, .308, are the calibers you will see used by police rifles

Unless an officer is using a personal firearm at work, the pistols should all be higher caliber.

The major difference is muzzle velocity damage.
The pistol cuts a tunnel the diameter of the [expanded] bullet.
The rifle leaves an exit wound multiple inches across, and at point blank will grenade the exit side of the target, painting the wall with gibs.





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"Can you tell me why you believe it's "not a great idea" when the criminals already all have guns too?"

Because police should be there to protect citizens lives, at the cost of their own if needed. (Hence the "hero"/"Public Servant" status they so like to remind us of)

If they protect their own lives, at the cost of citizens if needed, then they become a part of the problem they are supposed to be solving.

Just imagine the uninvolved bystander down the street struck down for no fault of their own.

The better path forward is full head to toe level 4 body armor for police, not heavier police firepower in packed suburbs.

That way they have the option to hold fire and assess the situation without shitting their pants and hosing the place down with lead "just in case, so they minimize the risk of getting hurt".

Full L4 body armor means that when things like the VT shooting happen, the police don't pitch tents outside and wait for SWAT (who actually has armor) to show up while people are likely getting killed inside.

Full L4 body armor means that when police open a door to a bathroom with an intruder inside (or a vacuum), they don't have to be thinking "kill or be killed".





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"You are assuming it's a high velocity rifle. It's likely only 9mm, meaning minimal impact and penetration"

The video shows shots of the rifle magazine. It's not a 9mm pcc (pistol caliber carbine) magazine. It's the standard form factor. Meaning it is likely to be one of common the off the shelf calibers for that form factor :
.223/5.56
.300 blackout
6.8 spc
.224 valkyrie
6.5 grendel
None are 9mm. And other than a subsonic .300 blackout variant (used with suppressors/silencers), all pack a world more hurt than a 9mm.






It's true that a faster/heavier round will pass through more walls, and more houses.

Not sure it matters though, as 9mm ball will go through plenty of sheetrock layers, and rifle ammo stands a chance at fragmenting on impact with obstacles.
Which goes farther for any given shot will depend on what each one strikes along the way, and if it's bullet is of type FMJ/ball or HP or frag or penetrator or whatever.

-scheherazade

I bet he would support Trump...This is one disturbing human..FMJ.

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Hollow point is ammo designed to stop people. FMJ is to wound.
Wounding a meth head on a machete rampage is not an option.

People don't just collect them. They enjoy shooting them. I don't own any, yet I can see why firing some FMJs from a Bushmaster would be fun. Similarly, people like to get drunk (a much more common hobby). I can also see why that might be fun. As you might expect, that hobby results in many more fatalities than all gun related deaths, yet the prohibition of alcohol is not on the table.

This myth that guns only exist to kill things needs to go. Most guns never kill anything. They are fun to shoot, just like slingshots and boomerangs. I would never say the only purpose of a boomerang is killing. For all of the above the primary purpose is entertainment. I'm of the opinion that methods of entertainment should not be forcibly banned by the government unless they represent a significant problem. I won't be convinced that ARs have crossed that threshold until everyone is willing to kiss off their liquor as well.

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I loved how he was wearing flip flops!>> ^mxxcon:

I'd shoot him for wearing those flipflops.
I'd also shoot the cameraman for aiming it so low that everybody have to bend down to be in the frame.
So if CEO stands behind his products, does that mean Larry Flint have to star in his company's films?



Good luck finding half-jacketed 7.62 x39 rounds.
>> ^dgandhi:

What do you want to bet they used lead rounds instead of mil surp FMJ?

What do you want to bet they used lead rounds instead of mil surp FMJ?

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0462267/ this doc is like the opening scene from FMJ... only for an Hour and and Half.

I know where to find it on google but its for sale so i dunno if i can post a link.

Done. Thanks!

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^ I don't know. The CBS channel video doesn't have the fan-added soundtrack. Maybe their embed should be swapped in? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFz-FMj-9Ps

Its a wonderful story though.

^ I don't know. The CBS channel video doesn't have the fan-added soundtrack. Maybe their embed should be swapped in? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFz-FMj-9Ps

Its a wonderful story though.

>> ^EDD:
First off, I'd like to quote what vsbm said some 2 months ago:
>> ^videosiftbannedme:
I actually do appreciate lengthy exposition. Just not Kubrick's way of doing it. Kubrick fans espouse what a genius he was. Overrated is what I see.

All in all I'd say this was a nice, solid movie, although somewhat slow and lacking in drama - at least it was right until the sniper part (near the end). By the way - this is where I start to nit-pick and express my disbelief at how enourmously overrated this film is.
The sniper scene (and I'm not talking about the finale, but the beginning, in which the sniper takes a couple of soldiers out) was awful, just awful; ruined the whole movie for me. It was dragged-out twice the time it should've been and marked by obnoxious unaesthetic use of slow-mo (way to flaunt your 60-fps camera there - a quintile of the whole film was in slow-mo) and even replays. Replays!! That's right, they're terrible even in bloopers and sports vids, and Kubrick decided to implement them here. Even 80s Hong-Kong action flicks did them better.
Ah, well. Mini-rant ends with me saying that the best thing about this film was Adam Baldwin. Chainsaw-wielding badasses FTW!


EDD, I'm not going to disagree with you because FMJ is not one of Kubrick's best, to be sure, but I'll add a footnote that (to me) shows why he was a genius.

When the group stands over the wounded girl-sniper and they've chosen Joker to finish her off, watch Joker's close-up carefully, in particular, the peace symbol on his body armor. The peace symbol slowly becomes eclipsed, Joker then pulls the trigger, and then the peace symbol comes back but only half-way.

If you know anything about how many takes Kubrick forces his actors to endure, you know that such scene construction is more than feasible. Once again, FMJ is not a fantastically-strong film. But Kubrick's headgear had "born to film" on it.

rofl! I dont even have to watch to upvote FMJ.