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Sorry I felt I should also make my point here. You are a Fucking Idiot.

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Here there is a valid and very much apparent difference in price, Manual transmissions are less expensive. Do you understand what happens to the engine when you pop the clutch ? granted it may not work with a completely dead battery but with one that will light up the interior lights you should be good to push start one, all it takes is two or three good cylinder fires and you got an engine thats started and running off the alternator.

That method of starting has saved my ass so many times in the past I am still grateful.

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Are you talking about manual transmissions? Most American cars come "standard" with an auto trans, and sometimes charge extra for a manual. I also doubt push starting a modern car with electronic fuel injection and computer controlled everything would work.

>> ^BoneRemake:

Good ol' standards, it is for this reason alone I would buy my next vehicle as a standard.
Battery not charged?
starter screwed ?
give it a push and on your way.
not to mention the general thousand dollar difference between the two transmissions.

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>> <a href='http://videosift.com/video/Shelving-System-to-Hide-your-Valuables-Guns-More-Guns?loadcomm=1#comment-1551865'>^L0cky</a>: I'm not sure who's disagreeing with who here. The fact that you can teach a child in order to make their access to guns safer doesn't mean that every child that has access to guns will be taught this in a sufficient way. Besides, how many children had lots of training and still ended up shooting themselves or someone else.
You can get very detailed statistics from the CDC, unfortunately I can't link to them because they are generated by a search and the URLs generated are session specific. The statistics, as detailed as they are, don't state weather the child was educated in the use of firearms, but accidental firearms death in children is quite low. According to the CDC, between 1999 and 2010 the leading cause of accidental deaths to children ages 1-4 is motor vehicle accidents (28.9%), poisoning is 8th (2.4%) and firearms is 12th (1.0%). Going up to the 5-9 age range MVA is still the leading cause of accidental death (46.7%), with poisoning still 8th (1.8%) and firearms still 12th (1.5%). You can look them up yourself at the CDC's <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/">National Center for Injury Prevention & Control</a>.

>> <a href='http://videosift.com/video/Shelving-System-to-Hide-your-Valuables-Guns-More-Guns?loadcomm=1#comment-1551865'>^L0cky</a>: If you don't think having a gun in your home would automatically make it the most dangerous thing in that home then you're either being disingenuous or you have some freaky shit going on in your house.
Having a gun in your home does not make it the most dangerous thing in the house, and the statistics I posted above back me up. There are plenty of things even in a gunless household that are lethal if a child gets its hands on it. I would argue that a gun is far safer because it can be unloaded and therefore be rendered harmless if a kid gets a hold of it. A bottle of drain cleaner, bug spray, bottle of medicine, etc. is always going to be dangerous if a child gets a hold of it. With those items, all you can do is lock them away in a safe place where a child can't get them until they are old enough to understand that they are dangerous. Any responsible gun owner would treat a gun the same as any other dangerous object in the home, by unloading it and/or locking it up until the child is old enough to be taught that it's dangerous and not something to play with.

I don't understand your objection to teaching a kid how to properly operate a firearm when the're old enough.  I was taught by my father as his father taught him, and I've never killed anyone on purpose or accident.

>> <a href='http://videosift.com/video/Shelving-System-to-Hide-your-Valuables-Guns-More-Guns?loadcomm=1#comment-1551865'>^L0cky</a>: So my question is: despite the fact that some kids can be taught to be careful with a firearm, what is the justification of owning one...
I can't speak for every gun owner, but I have several reasons. I personally own four guns, two rifles and two pistols. It's a hobby, I like to shoot them, but I also own them for self defense. I also like archery and own a bow. A bow is also an instrument of war and designed for the taking of human life as well as hunting, just as a rifle, but how come no one pitches a fit about bows like they do guns? I don't hunt, but I have friends that do, so there's another reason for you.

I also have gone through the steps to acquire a license to carry a concealed firearm in my state.  I think of it as insurance.  I have car insurance, but I don't intend to get in a wreck, and I also have home owners insurance though I don't intend for my home to get damaged or destroyed.  I don't carry a gun intending to kill someone, but just like car and home insurance I have it just in case.

>> <a href='http://videosift.com/video/Shelving-System-to-Hide-your-Valuables-Guns-More-Guns?loadcomm=1#comment-1551865'>^L0cky</a>: I'll play devil's advocate and say 5: to defend your property and family against an armed burgler. Yet if you take a look at the rest of the world, at countries where guns are not prolific, gun assisted burglaries are so rare that it doesn't even bear thinking about. The fact that you need a gun to defend yourself against someone with a gun is because you both have guns. - Captain "Circular" Obvious

From everything you've posted, you seem to be thinking that someone needs a gun to defend oneself from an attacker with a gun. The majority violent of crimes do NOT involve the use of a gun, and up to 2.5 million reported crimes (many are unreported) are prevented by lawful gun owners each year, most of which do not involve discharging the weapon.<blockquote>Ninety percent of violent crimes are committed by persons not carrying handguns. This is one reason why the mere brandishing of a gun by a potential victim of violence often is a sufficient response to a would-be attacker. In most cases where a gun is used in self-defense, it is not fired." [<a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/1993/11/14/are-we-a-nation-of-cowards.print.html">source</a>]</blockquote>
>> <a href='http://videosift.com/video/Shelving-System-to-Hide-your-Valuables-Guns-More-Guns?loadcomm=1#comment-1551865'>^L0cky</a>: I can't really budge on this unless you can somehow convince me that it's not preferable to live in a western society where almost all people have never even seen a real gun, therefore removing all their associated problems. That's not an idealism, that's pretty much most of Europe.

Personally I would rather live in a society where people are educated and non violent so that we can own guns for sport, collecting, hunting, etc. and not have to deal with people's irrational fear of them. You seem to have some delusional idea that removing guns from society is going stop crime and violence. Removing guns isn't going to magically stop people from being violent and committing crimes. The UK and Australia did ban personal ownership of guns and their crime rates went up because the only ones left with guns were the criminals. [<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3083618&page=1#.UBDI3aPSCJt">1</a>][<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1440764.stm">2</a>][<a href="http://www.wnd.com/2000/03/1933/">3</a>][<a href="http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847">4</a>]

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