In a perfect world, yes, but in reality, no.
Police do not have to tell the truth, and if a lie gets them the upper hand, they'll often lie. Asking them to explain your rights, especially after annoying them by being obstinate and repeating to them that you know your rights, is just dumb imo. They have no obligation to teach you or to be honest about them and every incentive not to.....although it would be nice if they did.

Edit: asking for a lengthy explanation after being told 'any answer besides"yes" is considered refusal' is a point where you will be penalized for asking what your rights are....white, black, or purple.

Explain how it's ok to administer a test at any time but this time is harassment because he failed them, please, because that's contradictory.

He parked on the freeway causing suspicion,
admitted to drinking and driving requiring a field test,
didn't follow directions so failed the field test,
then obstinately repeated that with the breathalyzer by not answering yes and taking it. (After being told anything but yes legally means no).
Please, what's harassment there?....because there's definitely something more imo.

Remove race from the equation, and it's a good arrest. Adding race in does nothing to negate that imo.


Edit: I was a white punk with a long Mohawk. I got harassed far worse than this repeatedly, including being thrown to the ground at gunpoint because an officer read my plate wrong and accused me of being a car thief. Attitude usually has far more to do with the outcome than anything else in my experience. When I was polite and followed instructions I almost always walked, even when in the wrong. When I argued, I got slapped hard, like a vandalism charge for a 4" chalk line on a sidewalk or 2 hours of having my car searched in front of my friends house.

If I'm misunderstanding and you aren't claiming this was a dwb arrest, apologies. That's the part I'm debating, because it seems wrong.

don't defend the cop, none of you. Know your rights.

>> ^Sagemind:

Psst.., That's called graphite, not lead (in pencils)


hah, you know your right. infact our pencils never used lead.. it was implied in TV shows and movies at the time for comedic value but yea, its always been graphite huh. Where was the history channel when I was 10.

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@Shepppard I don't hate anyone who wears a badge, I have a great amount of disdain for the system which trains cop to manipulate citizens out of whatever rights they deem a hindrance to them discovering crimes.

I have a grandmother with Alzheimers, she wanders occasionally. My mom, foolishly, called the police on one such occasion. I found my grandmother snd brought her home, the cops show up again after she's home and want to see her. They asked if they could come in, I chuckled a bit because I thought it was presumptuous of them to come inside my home, being the strangers that they are. I tell them no, they can't, but I'll go get grandma if you'd like to speak to her.

Then I try and close my door only to realize this cop put his boots on my door frame making me unable to close my door, it was a bit of a mindfuck tbh, as I was nervous, I was just like, wtf door won't close. I guess I was too intimidated to push the issue far enough to ask the cop to remove his boot. So whatever, I go get my grandmother and when I return they're right inside my house, imposing and uninvited. Probably having used some "door is ajar" rule letting them enter. What a joke.

So whatever they talk to my grandmother, all is well. I couldn't shut my mouth though, I had to ask don't I have the right to refuse you to enter my house? And they said, yes you do but it usually means you have something to hide(the, like, 25 y/o chick cop tells me). Which is bullshit. Exercising your rights doesn't mean you have something to hide, it means you know your rights, appreciate them and wish to make use of them.

This anecdotal evidence is worthless, though, in the grand scheme of things. The videos speak much louder. Using your figure of 250 videos a year, how many abusive interactions with police officers go unrecorded? Given how strongly opposed the police are to being recorded, probably a lot more. Why are they fighting the right to record them? What do they have to hide?

I worked as a drug deliveryman for about a year, good times, at least back then when my interactions with police were adversarial, it was justified. Funny thing, never had any problems with police while driving on the street with a dashboard full of weed. Was stopped multiple times, was fun/intense. Had to keep my cool and jump through their hoops.

As for your story of being let go while driving without a license, pretty surprising, was this in a big city or small town? Also, it's not the best example because honestly, you should've been given a ticket at the minimum. Normally, they tow your car and impound for 30 days which is pretty expensive. Letting someone come take the car is really nice of a cop, but I wouldn't have a problem taking a ticket for driving w/o a license. That's never been my problem, I've always been respectful of cops when stopped for a traffic violation where I'm actually in the wrong.

Anyhow, tl;dr cops aren't serving the citizenry, they're serving the government who's orders are to control the citizenry by any means necessary.

This is a long post, but I wanted to add that the lack of accountability for a cops actions are just disgusting. Cops have murdered citizens with barely a slap on the wrist.

>> You are treated like a giant piece of shit, no matter what the hell you have done. You are taunted, ridiculed, called ridiculous names, harassed and basically lied to as much as possible, unless you know your rights and stick up for them.

Does this sticking up for your rights include verbally assaulting your arresting officers and throwing things at them? I don't know how doing those things could be considered sticking up for your rights. Does it make officers call you less ridiculous names and stop harassing you?

>> And to think she somehow deserves to get the shit beat out of her for getting a sneaker come close to almost brushing against your leg.. holy shit you guys! WTF? That's a big downvote from me.

I didn't say or imply she deserves to get the shit beat out of her. In fact, I said I don't at all condone the officers' actions. They probably should be fired for having such a terrible lack of control over their anger. All I said was I don't feel sorry for her. The officers were extraneous to my point.

The girl demonstrated that she has no respect for authority and not even a shred of common sense by continually insulting the officers then finally kicking her shoe at them. It's like those guys at the zoo who kept shooting rocks at that tiger with their slingshot until it found a way to escape from its enclosure and attack them. My point is they wouldn't have been killed and maimed if they just hadn't insisted on provoking the tiger.

If you're intentionally doing something that carries with it inherent risk to your safety (for no reason other than you are a disrespectful piece of shit) and that risk is realized as a direct result of your own actions, I just can't feel sorry for you.

There are too many selfish, self-centered, disrespectful people in this world who don't give a shit about their elders, authorities, or just anyone else in general.

>> ^volumptuous:
BC and Lucky obviously have never been in jail before.
You are treated like a giant piece of shit, no matter what the hell you have done. You are taunted, ridiculed, called ridiculous names, harassed and basically lied to as much as possible, unless you know your rights and stick up for them.
And to think she somehow deserves to get the shit beat out of her for getting a sneaker come close to almost brushing against your leg.. holy shit you guys! WTF? That's a big downvote from me.
These are "fat pigs" and if they flip out over a teenage girl tossing a shoe at them, they should be nowhere near an armed weapon or a tazer.


Yeah, flipping a shoe at someone does not deserve what this cop did to her. He WAY over reacted to the situation. And if that caused "blood pockets" then this pussy needs to get another job, 'cuz I'd hate to see what would happen to him if someone punched or shot him.

BC and Lucky obviously have never been in jail before.

You are treated like a giant piece of shit, no matter what the hell you have done. You are taunted, ridiculed, called ridiculous names, harassed and basically lied to as much as possible, unless you know your rights and stick up for them.

And to think she somehow deserves to get the shit beat out of her for getting a sneaker come close to almost brushing against your leg.. holy shit you guys! WTF? That's a big downvote from me.

These are "fat pigs" and if they flip out over a teenage girl tossing a shoe at them, they should be nowhere near an armed weapon or a tazer.

It's called "probable cause"....it gives the police great lee-way into what they can and can't do. For instance, if there were a crime being committed inside a private residence such as a murder or a rape or some other such crime, the police do NOT have to wait for a search warrant to enter.

If the cop suspected there was underage drinking going on or other illegal activities, he really didn't need a search warrant to enter.

The 4th amendment says this:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Bottom line, the cop may or may not have had probable cause....but it doesn't really matter. If an arrest were to be made, THEN it would be determined in court whither he had probable cause or not. If he didn't, the charges and such can be dropped. But the whole point is to hassle you until you stop what you're doing. Where are you going to go if the cop walks in? Call the cops? They will all say they had probable cause and back up their officer...then tell you that no one was arrested so why are they complaining blah blah blah. Really, what are you going to do if a cop walks in without a warrant? Warn him he better leave? Or what?

It's all fine and good to say that you know your rights, but your rights mean zero if all they want to do is hassle you. Good luck trying to prove it.