@VoodooV
as i suspected.
you interject your own subjective and limited understandings into my words.
thats pretty weak-minded.

but an even BIGGER offense is that somehow my plea can be translated into validating anothers argument.
i never validated any one of either chings nor bobs arguments.
i was defending their right to be here.
thats all.

and then to top off even that major breach of basic dichotomy,you put words in my mouth.

you are a hypocrite.
the sad thing is you are totally unaware of that fact.
blinded by your own smug arrogance.

and who is this "we"?
do you speak for others?
who are these other people that share your supposed understandings of my intentions?

fake and transparent?
seriously?
are you so caught up in your own little ego-driven world as to be so arrogant to KNOW my intentions?

fuck you buddy.you dont know me.
you dont like me?
i dont care.

feel free to have the last word.

Guy writes constructive letter to a woman to try and get her fat ass on the treadmill, in a way that doesnt make her feel like shit by outright calling her a fatass.....and she jumps on him (crushing him perhaps...), and proceeds to justify why her ass is still fat.

He said hes seen her not change weight in 3 years (?)...cmon...youve all the time in the world to address something like that, I didnt feel the letter was mean spirited at ALL. If someone wrote me a letter like that it would inspire me to join a gym and watch what I shovel in my mouth, not justify my sedentary food gobbling lifestyle.

I wonder if she went home and ate a bucket of ice cream that night.....

Please dont mistake my bluntness for a lack of empathy, ive got fatass close family members that I care dearly about...that I too have tried so much to try to get them to change their lifestyle.

Doesnt happen. Too set in on drinking a 40 of coke a day, and doritos, deep fried foods, ZERO excercise etc.

Its just so fucking frustrating to see the ones you love and care about, shitting away a decade+ of healthy extended life because they are too lazy to do anything about it.

"You dont know me!"

No....youre right....but I know plenty of people very very well who have your exact body type. And I can see patterns lady.

no misunderstanding - i understood what your comment to rougy meant and that it wasn't related to me personally. i used it to close my comment in an attempt at solidarity and closure. in other words, you and rougy are both nice people who i'd rather get along with than argue endlessly (which is the only direction i see any further discussion on the topic heading, and thus my reluctance to continue).

In reply to this comment by enoch:
In reply to this comment by berticus:
I've done plenty in the past, rougy, and found the concepts were largely peddled by charlatans and fools. I'm sorry that my skepticism clearly offends you.

If you think I don't go against the 'common consensus' - you really don't know much about me at all. That's understandable, you have limited interaction with me here on VS, and it's usually over something you clearly believe in and I don't.

I considered offering a reply to both you and enoch (who left a charming message on my profile), but really—what's the point? It's obvious that your minds are, somewhat ironically, set. Clearly you both find this man's views insightful and truthful. I think they are not only untrue, they are dangerous—and these are topics I am academically invested in.

I suggest we leave it at that.

As enoch says, "right on, brother".

>> ^rougy:

>> ^berticus:
jesus fuck this is some grade A bullshit
sorry enoch

You haven't done much self exploration, have you Berti?
You don't go against the common consensus very often, either, do you?
What part of that video was "grade A bullshit" in your learned opinion?


i was sincere in my comment on your page.
maybe my comment on rougy's page made what i said to you seem insincere..i guess i can understand that but that is not how i meant it.
what i wrote to rougy was for rougy and had nothing to do with you.
i applaud his ability to speak his mind hence the "right on brother".
it was meant in that context and not in any way to disparage you.

maybe i read to much into what you posted but i do not like when there may be a misunderstanding based solely on comments.
as you so stated to rougy "you dont know me"..
you are right..i do not know you and the only thing i do know is that we disagree on some things.
while i do find some of the things this man proposes insightful,i would not go so far as call them truthful but rather seeking a different avenue to deal with a specific problem.

i would like to ask you where you got the idea that i would not be receptive to anything you have to say on this matter though,because i do not believe i have ever given you any indication that my ideas/philosophies are written in concrete and impervious to scrutiny.

yes..i am metaphysical but have i ever tried to convert you?or make you feel/believe/be anything than who you are at this point in your life?
i accept you for who you are,or at least who you portray here on VS and as i have already stated:i respect your keen mind and sharp wit and i truly..with all humbleness and sincerity..would like to hear your thoughts concerning this video and the dangers you see inherent within.

i think we could both find many and as i have stated in my previous comment to you..i found only one aspect of the video intriguing and for what reasons.
i would like to hear your thoughts though because i do not know everything and anecdotal evidence only goes so far.
i welcome your thoughts on this matter.
maybe you can get me to view this in a different light and perspective.

i shall leave this comment public.
i forgot how you dislike private messages and for that i apologize.
but my previous comment was sincere,
as is this one.
namaste.

In reply to this comment by berticus:
I've done plenty in the past, rougy, and found the concepts were largely peddled by charlatans and fools. I'm sorry that my skepticism clearly offends you.

If you think I don't go against the 'common consensus' - you really don't know much about me at all. That's understandable, you have limited interaction with me here on VS, and it's usually over something you clearly believe in and I don't.

I considered offering a reply to both you and enoch (who left a charming message on my profile), but really—what's the point? It's obvious that your minds are, somewhat ironically, set. Clearly you both find this man's views insightful and truthful. I think they are not only untrue, they are dangerous—and these are topics I am academically invested in.

I suggest we leave it at that.

As enoch says, "right on, brother".

>> ^rougy:

>> ^berticus:
jesus fuck this is some grade A bullshit
sorry enoch

You haven't done much self exploration, have you Berti?
You don't go against the common consensus very often, either, do you?
What part of that video was "grade A bullshit" in your learned opinion?


i was sincere in my comment on your page.
maybe my comment on rougy's page made what i said to you seem insincere..i guess i can understand that but that is not how i meant it.
what i wrote to rougy was for rougy and had nothing to do with you.
i applaud his ability to speak his mind hence the "right on brother".
it was meant in that context and not in any way to disparage you.

maybe i read to much into what you posted but i do not like when there may be a misunderstanding based solely on comments.
as you so stated to rougy "you dont know me"..
you are right..i do not know you and the only thing i do know is that we disagree on some things.
while i do find some of the things this man proposes insightful,i would not go so far as call them truthful but rather seeking a different avenue to deal with a specific problem.

i would like to ask you where you got the idea that i would not be receptive to anything you have to say on this matter though,because i do not believe i have ever given you any indication that my ideas/philosophies are written in concrete and impervious to scrutiny.

yes..i am metaphysical but have i ever tried to convert you?or make you feel/believe/be anything than who you are at this point in your life?
i accept you for who you are,or at least who you portray here on VS and as i have already stated:i respect your keen mind and sharp wit and i truly..with all humbleness and sincerity..would like to hear your thoughts concerning this video and the dangers you see inherent within.

i think we could both find many and as i have stated in my previous comment to you..i found only one aspect of the video intriguing and for what reasons.
i would like to hear your thoughts though because i do not know everything and anecdotal evidence only goes so far.
i welcome your thoughts on this matter.
maybe you can get me to view this in a different light and perspective.

i shall leave this comment public.
i forgot how you dislike private messages and for that i apologize.
but my previous comment was sincere,
as is this one.
namaste.

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:
Enoch, what is the point of this video: http://tinyfrog.wordpress.com/2007/07/24/anti-atheist-christian-
tv-commerical/
To convince theists that without god the world is fucked? No, they already "know" that.
The point of these videos is three fold -
1. Present a compelling argument/message/premise
2. Assure the indivdual that there is a community that shares their belief
3. Catch the confused doubtful little fishes on the fringes
Could you explain how the producers are retarded for attempting to get a thoughtful reaction out of people?
Or if that just an ad hominem at work because you're offended?
>> ^enoch:
that makes no sense...
convince an atheist that there is no god and religion is bad...
if you are correct,and the point of this video is a "shock and awe factor for those on the fence"then these creators of this video are retarded.


you are coming at me from the wrong angle scooter...check yourself.
you dont know me,nor my beliefs,thoughts,dreams or visions.
so please dont leave your dick waggling in the breeze acting like you do.
i shall ignore the first part of your post,
not because i am "offended" but because it is irrelevant.

now the points you made,especially number 2.
i never thought about it from that perspective.that there would be people who no longer believe but may be surrounded by people who do.i know this occurs on an intellectual basis but did not think about that in this context concerning the video.
on that note i say thank you genji.
that not only answers my incredulity concerning this video but it's actual purpose.
i think thats what you were trying to say in your previous post but it made no sense.
now it does..thanks.
now concerning number 1 and 3..
meh../shrugs.
compelling argument?really? come on man..not even close.
and catch little fish?since when is atheism like scientology?or jehovas witness? mormons?
naw..if the video is to let people who no longer believe in god or religion know they are not alone then i am all for that and retract my retarded comment.
you can email them and let them know you defended their honor justly.

as for me being offended...well...i'll play nice.
i was not offended in the least.why would i be?
thats just a concentrated drop of pure silly.
and what i wrote was not an ad hominem.
if i had written ONLY that they were retarded,or satan spawn..blah blah blah..then you would be correct.
but i made a statement and ended it with an opinion on the producers mental capacity=not an ad hominem attack.

let me conclude with a hearty thank you genji.
but i still stand by my statement if the purpose of this video was to change the hearts and minds of religious folk,or convert in some bizarre way an atheist.but to let a person know they are not alone?
thats ok in my book.

You have been awarded 1 Power Point for fixing the embed code for Dead Pool video David Brent - If You Don't Know Me By Now. Thank you for helping maintain VideoSift's reliability.

if you dont know who David Brent is see this vid - http://www.videosift.com/video/David-Brent-If-You-Dont-Know-Me-By-Now