Ya know what, @Trancecoach is right. I could rebut all your points, but you've taken an ideological position that is unsupported by evidence, so clearly this is a waste of my time.

You probably genuinely believe what you've written, despite it being obvious nonsense.

One thing I can't let slide is your last little fantasy about the lone scientist against the establishment. That hasn't been true for a long time, and even then, it was generally religion or business (cf. Edison and Tesla) and not scientific consensus that impeded progress. Most major advances in science have come about by people working together, sharing results and bouncing ideas off each other. In fact, most of the time, the people we credit with great ideas (Newton, Einstein, etc) were only a step ahead of other scientists working toward the same ideas.

Yes, evidence trumps consensus, but scientists are not idiots, and there isn't some lone genius who has understood climate change when everyone else hasn't. If there was, the scientific community would recognise it.

There simply isn't any evidence to support your position that isn't easily dismissed in a few paragraphs. Read http://skepticalscience.com

The whole climate change denial (and no, I won't dignify it by calling it scepticism, that's an insult to scepticism) is marketing.

So I'll leave you, trance and the republicans in your little fantasy world where scientists and environmental campaigners have engaged in a massively profitable (please explain how, still not clear on this one) scheme to fuck up the world economy (because??? reasons, I guess) and the heroic oil companies are going to rescue us from a fate worse than a clean planet.

Meanwhile, I, the scientific community and the other humans that don't believe the earth is flat will accept the reality of climate change and move on.

Please tell me this isn't "Batman Kids" or something.

Listen up, comic book peoples. Drop the goddamn everything is all connected at the origin plot device.

Man of Steel did it and did it badly; Kal-El isn't just superman, he's Krypton Jesus.

The Amazing Spiderman did it and completely fucking missed the point of Spiderman; Peter Parker becomes Spiderman because of genetic destiny instead of, ya know, accepting that responsibility comes with power(which is only his fucking motto).

Even Hulk did it.

And now we see that Bruce Wayne interacts with Catwoman, and the Riddler etc as a child? sigh...

On the other hand... yay Major Rawls is back!

So I'm with @RFlagg on this one. Not expecting much, but willing to be pleasantly surprised.

Well what the fuck am I supposed to do you dumb ass ??

what??? actually learn how this sift site works ??

pshawww. That takes a lot of food energy to do ya know. not something you would know about.

Ya know, there are times when I think it would have been cool to have the internet and youtube and what not when I was growing up (that shit hadn't been invented yet).

And then I look at videos like this poor kid and I get down on my knees and thank the universe that all my annoying stupid shit that I did when I was 12 wasn't broadcast to the world.

And yet, wouldn't ya know it, that is precisely how people got alcohol during the U.S.' aimless Prohibtion.. from their doctors (as medicine) or from the pastors (as sacrament), or as homebrews.

Great tune TWCM, initially inspired over lumpy English mashers, y'just never know till ya know!

I remember watching this a long time ago, after watching tons of talks where Chomsky was introduced with that New York Times quote and corrected and expanded on it. I've heard him do the same thing in a dozen interviews, so if this guy had listened to just about ANY Chomsky he would've heard him correct it before. He was glad Chomsky missed the correction this time and was using it to go for what he thought was his jugular.

I've read over 50 Chomsky books, dozens of his essays and listened to over a hundred interviews. I don't agree with him on several things and I would LOVE IT if anyone who wanted to argue with Chomsky would fucking bring any of those up.

Whenever Chomsky gives a talk there's either:

1. Worshipers who praise him for days without bringing up anything interesting.

2. Whiny Fucking College Kids who complain that it's really hard and my feet hurt after protesting a couple times. This dude has seen people stand up for things knowing they'd probably be killed for doing so, don't bore him with your stories of woe you little whiny hipster pussies.

Finally 3. People who hate him and frame their arguments in the stupidest way possible making it plainly clear that they have never read his arguments in anyway shape or form. You don't want to read or listen to him Fucking Fine, he isn't god he's just a dude. But mother fucker if you want to argue someone you have to at least hear what they're fucking saying first. Ya know who is most guilty of this by the way, fucking Communists. They come up and yack and yack about shit that Chomsky has never said or endorsed and then blame him for all of Americans actions around the world. It's fucking incredibly to hear and I'm sorry but I just want them to bite the curb because they don't fucking listen.

@Trancecoach
interesting.
i admit my utter failure in expressing my position and decide to use someone i highly admire who could explain it better.

and in doing so i offend you?
and you respond by offending my sensibilities?

do you REALLY think i cannot think for myself?
are we in some epic battle where there is some abstract "winner"?
i thought i was talking to someone who i am quite fond of and who i also just happen to disagree with on this particular subject.

i want to understand why you choose your flavor of libertarianism.
which i dont because you never address the elephant in the room.it appears to me your style of libertarianism is circa 1790.
even blankfist agreed that corporate power and influence MUST be restructured and possibly returned to temporary partnerships,a privilege given by the people,to be dissolved when the project was concluded.
and blankfist is a die hard libertarian.

or is the corporate tyranny not as evident to you?
maybe reading too many heritage foundation essays?
have any of these articles outlined the flaws in capitalism?
like that the system will ultimately begin to cannibalize itself when growth becomes stagnant?
that unfettered capitalism will lay waste to everything..eventually and eventually everything will become a commodity.
to be sold and traded.

its not like it is a huge secret.
the problems with capitalism are well know and well understood,but i guess you are not one of those people.

and i am not one of those people who are good at conveying things such as these..never have been.
but i have always been respectful with you,even when i disagree.
and yet you assume my intentions.
take offense when i meant none and snipe at me from some imagined superior balcony.

i was never trying to say you were wrong.i just wanted to understand why you believe the things you believe.

and now as i am writing this i am being forced to question.
will he take this sentence wrong?
how will he perceive this word in that context?
and i have to admit..its kinda irritating.

but ya know what?
thats on me.
i made certain assumptions about you based an very little.
he likes floyd..check.
dropped some acid back in the day...check.
is educated and in the psychology field...check.

so every correspondence i have had with you is with that person in my minds eye.
i have written every word to you as if you were sitting right next to me.

i wrote about this before and you ridiculed me then.i should have gotten the message.
you are not the person i gave you credit for.
you are you.
and thats ok.

watch the video if you wish.its pretty informative.
or dont.
it doesnt matter.

i apologize for offending you.
/end transmission

political and economic structures in complex societies is so...massive..that i tend to get lost in attempting to convey my point.

how do i tell trance that what he is actually suggesting is corporate tyranny?

how do you tell someone that and have them listen,when my examples are so weak and ineffectual.

ya know what..im gonna post a chomsky interview that covers much of our discussion.

hope people watch it because american libertarianism has a dark secret,and its abject slavery.

unless those libertarians know of some new democratic corporation that we heard of..never.

Ya know, you're all complaining about infant mortality when you should be complaining about obvious, inane, laugh tracks.

This. This is what drives me nuts about "conservatives". Totally and utterly outraged, totally and utterly ignorant about the actual facts. Facts like, they FIRED him; but ya know fuckit, why let reality get in the way out your outrage.

Ya know there's a good movie that's out on DVD that's about this. It's called "The East" and it's pretty good.

please dont let grandma bend over like that... please for god sakes.. all fun and games til someone breaks a hip ya know

*pRoMotE

the Russians CAN do this ya know....

Threw me for a minute when he described the venturi effect as effecting fluids like gas...

(here in Aus we refer to it as petrol or fuel, gas is LNG or any other substance that is, ya know, a gas)