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Rigging the Election - Video II: Mass Voter Fraud

bobknight33 says...

Obamacare was sold as THE ANSWER. IS HAS FAILED. It isn't the answer.

Clinton Foundation is so freaking great. Just ask the president of Haiti and its people how they got screwed by the Clinton Foundation. Its a scam for them to line their own political pockets.

To believe anything from a Clinton is utterly fullish. History is full of Clinton lies.

Democrats don't back down no matter what.

Loot at Clinton wiki leaks have her dead to right but she is not backing down. Attack the Russians but lets not looks at the emails just blame the Russian. Great miss direction and teh mainstream media goes right along with it.

look Hillary will will win by a land slide (not) and you can cream your pants.

You can pull any website and "look" at premiums but until you actually y go through the process you don't know the number,

heropsycho said:

Ohhhh, so you just reassert your point about Democrats never backing down, but Republicans do without any factual basis whatsoever! What a novel losing debate strategy!

Obamacare isn't perfect and needs to be fixed or replaced with something better. Not the Trumpian "something great" if it should be replaced, but something that is well thought out and addresses what Obamacare couldn't accomplish if the entire premise is systemically not going to work.

Did you see what I did there? I *gasp* recognize that sometimes things don't work! OMG! IT'S AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I also didn't say it's a "fucking disaster", because it isn't. If it were that, explain how the uninsured rate has dropped very significantly. It was never going to achieve 100% insurance rate. The only way that happens is with single payer.

Here's how stupid you are. You don't seem to understand that if Obamacare isn't the answer, you're just making single payer universal health care more likely to be enacted. The American people are not going to go back to being denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition. They're just not gonna. Obamacare is the least left policy you could possibly enact that would help control costs and decrease the number of people who are uninsured.

You can scream to the top of your lungs, but Obamacare was enacted to remedy real problems. I'm even sympathetic to the argument that those were real problems, but Obamacare isn't the answer, but if you're going to make that argument, you have to propose something that has historical precedent and rationale to solve those problems. And you simply don't have one.

So again, keep struggling in the quicksand until it swallows you whole, and single payer is enacted.

Your evidence about health insurance premiums is anecdotal, and quite frankly, you don't seem to understand that your numbers and description of what happened to her is absolutely ridiculous. You don't get on medicaid because your insurance premiums go up under Obamacare. You qualify for Medicaid because of a lack of income.

Secondly, the claim is absolutely ridiculous that her premiums went up that much. For data we have available, *subsidized* premiums for the lowest cost silver plans for data we have in the Obamacare exchanges was $257 a month for a single person.

http://kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/analysis-of-2017-premium-changes-and-insurer-participation-in-the-affordable-care-acts-health-insurance-marke
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If she qualifies for Medicaid, then surely she could go on a silver plan in the Obamacare exchanges and come out likely paying less. Oh, and, on top of that, she would EASILY qualify for federal subsidies if she qualified for medicaid.

Oh, and btw, without Obamacare, if health care companies decided to raise those premiums just to price gouge, what protection would she have? Not much. Obamacare insures that you can only take in so much that isn't spent on health care.

Your story is completely utterly full of crap on so many levels, it's clear you made it up.

I'm dismissing all your numbers are being unsubstantiated bullshit. Have premiums gone up? Sure have. Were they going up before Obamacare? Yep! There's a healthy debate about how much Obamacare is contributing to premium increases. Obamacare isn't perfect. I'm happy to discuss rationally what could be done to improve Obamacare, or another plausible alternative. But not with you, since you pull numbers out of your ass that easily are completely debunked.

BTW, FYI, Obamacare was not intended to lower premiums nor to completely eliminate the number of uninsured. It was to control costs in all forms and reduce the amount of uninsured, as well as reform the health care system to eliminate problems like being denied coverage because of pre-existing conditions, people having to declare bankruptcy due to medical bills, etc.

Some of its goals it succeeded in, and some not so much. That's a fair assessment at this point. Medical related bankruptcies have not declined. Being denied coverage due to a pre-existing condition has been eliminated. Premiums have gone up, but we simply don't have enough data to determine if they've slowed or accelerated since Obamacare was implemented. If you go by the immediate years after Obamacare was fully implemented, they slowed.

http://healthaffairs.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/Adler_Exhibit1.png

More recently, they've accelerated. It's important to note that health care costs are not solely determined by premiums alone. It's interesting you cherry picked premiums only to prove costs haven't been controlled because premiums are your best case to make that point. Copays, coinsurance, deductibles, prescription drugs, all those play a role. IE, if the average American pays more in premiums but less everywhere else, it's possible the net average is lower for total costs paid for health care.

These are complex topics that have no room for bringing in rose colored ideologically tinted lenses to force the outcome to be "a fucking disaster", where you'll bring in anecdotal evidence, some of which is completely utterly made up.

Just how far are you willing to make stuff up? Hillary Clinton, according to you, has never in the last 40 years done anything substantially positive.

REALLY?! Look, I understand not necessarily wanting her to be President. OK, fine. But that claim is absolutely ridiculous. Over $2 billion has been raised by the Clinton Foundation, and over 90% of that has gone to charitable work according to independent studies. Before you go down the path of "paid access", blah blah blah, even if that were true, the reality is $1.8 billion went to charitable works around the world through the Clinton Foundation Hillary Clinton helped to create and run.

That's not substantial?!?!

Dude, just stop. The only people who believe that BS are people within your bubble. You're not convincing anyone else who didn't already think Hillary Clinton personally killed Vince Foster. You're just making people like me think you're a complete loon.

Bradley Manning goes to trial

Confucius says...

I'll try a point by point and then I'll probably lose track.

-I wouldn't say courage. I would say naivety (the two are confused alot....maybe you need one for the other...idk). He was used by wiki-leaks and the gang as a suicide bomber and now he will be raped in jail for the rest of his life...and nothing will change except that wiki-leaks gained notoriety. I bet he would take it back if he could.

-He was and is a traitor to his country (it's sad because I get the feeling he didn't fully understand what he was doing...prob. blinded by wiki leaks and gang). You don't release gobs of state secrets like that. Why couldn't he just release the helicopter video or other choice things? (still bad even then).

-He was a soldier. He swore an oath. Anyone even remotely connected to the military understands what I'm getting at. If he wanted to be a champion of truth he shouldn't have gone into the military. Become a reporter, a politician. There are plenty of more legitimate (effectiveness aside) ways to do what he did.

-The concept of total transparency as applied to states is stupid. Every state since the beginning of time has functioned because of its ability to have secrets. Try it on an individual level....go around 1 day and tell everyone everything.

-You talk about the absolute hypocrisy of this administration? Every administration in the history of mankind (excluding Camelot, the Magic Kingdom, and/or Castle Greyskull) to a greater or lesser has done the same thing. To think otherwise is naive. Thats how States function....by not telling, lets say, North Korea that we dropped off patriot missiles in Japan or that we have a secret agreement to to attack them with China should anything happen.

-Am I saying that we should be able to hush up the deaths of innocent civilians and etc......no. I'm just saying that there are more responsible ways to ensure that stuff like that doesn't happen.

enoch said:

@Confucius
maybe i am reading your comment wrong.
i feel this is important because manning had the courage to expose the hypocrisy and malfeasance of the state department.

CNN Inside Anonymous

truth-is-the-nemesis says...

Great find, i can't believe that 16 people got arrested for crashing the unlawful activities of Paypal against activist websites such as wiki-leaks, yet were is all this police presence when the corporations in the financial sector brought the entire economy to the brink of collapse & walked away Scott-free. truly unbelievable.

Thousands of Egyptian protesters force police to retreat

EMPIRE says...

The living conditions in these places, and the utter disregard for basic human rights and a working healthy democracy, are obviously at the root of all these protests we're seeing, and I do hope start spreading like wildfire into neighbouring countries where the same problems exist.
The conditions are the motive.
But I do believe that the internet/social networks/wiki leaks/television are the tools that are helping these revolutions take place. Go new media/information transparency.

Hitler - 'Triumph Of The Will' - The pinnacle of propaganda

Duckman33 says...

I have never seen this before. It was mentioned in the History Channel's recent two-part, 4 hour documentary special: "The Third Reich: The Rise and Fall" which uses never seen before footage from home movies of the German citizens, as well as allied troops. It was very well made, but some of the scenes were very disturbing to watch. If you haven't seen the special yet, I highly recommend it. You may start to think about things differently.

I have noticed while watching that documentary, there are a lot of similarities to what's going on in America these days. Creating enemies to justify wars, Demonizing Muslims, (they are the new Jews), the whole, "if you're not with us, you're against us" mentality of the post 9/11 Bush era, the Wiki Leaks controversy, wiretapping our citizens, recruiting people to spy on their neighbors (a more recent development), etc. From what I saw in that documentary, if we continue down the path we are treading today, America will swiftly become the Fourth Reich.

*promote

Ron Paul on the CIA, wikileaks, and Liberty

Psychologic says...

I agree with most of what he says (no immunity for government officials, stop bombing people).

On the whistle-blower immunity thing, I agree provided that the person is exposing something illegal. However, I don't support immunity for someone releasing internal government communications (ie- wiki-leaks) if the communications do not indicate any illegal activity.

As far as China, I don't know enough about Paul's views to agree or disagree, but what I've seen from him on the subject seems overly simplistic.

TDS: The Informant!

Mauru says...

The obvious flaw of this episode of the daily show is that it appears to view the recent wiki-leak as being directed at audiences in the USA. The jokes certainly stand their ground in that regard - on an international scale however, this is an entirely different matter.
One can of course argue that, again, the world already knows how US diplomacy views its allies (and spies on them) - that fact however, would pose an entirely different and much more serious problem for the US:

Politicians in other countries are going to have a MUCH tougher job explaining why they have their troops in Afghanistan or are offering logistic support.

Finally, do you really believe the US diplomats in the affected countries can continue business as usual after this event?

Wiki Leaks founder walks out from interview with CNN

jwray says...

>> ^entr0py:

Sorry kanzfrafka, I should have known that wasn't where you were going with that. You're right, even if the allegations never lead anywhere, the damage to his reputation is already done. Character assassination is easy to pull off with how scandal crazed the media has become.


Especially since the media jump all over allegations like a pack of pirhanas and then bury retractions on page 20.

Wiki Leaks founder walks out from interview with CNN

jwray says...

>> ^entr0py:

Chilaxe, I haven't been following this very closely. I know Assange has claimed that the rape allegation was a smear campaign orchestrated by some 3rd party. Implying either it was a honey trap or his former lovers had been bribed or coerced after the fact. Why do you say he's knowingly lied about that?

Because anonymous tips from a "close friend" reported by some douche on Gawker can't possibly be made up bullshit.

Wiki Leaks founder walks out from interview with CNN

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