"saying humans are born with either a penis or vagina isn't a hateful statement against people."
It absolutely is hateful to hermaphrodites, clearly saying they aren't human. Use the qualifier "usually" or "almost always".

"As for gender being something different than sex, if you define it that way"
No, you said that. I'm saying all the physical attributes of gender are changeable besides the brain, and many humans with male gonads have female brains, and vice versa. Today, gonads can be surgically changed, so where is gender? I argue it's in the brain, which today can't be changed.
Gender is different from sexuality, clearly, no?
Edit: I guess I do think gender is different from "sex", if sex is determined solely by your gonads.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction
....as to who cares about gender....the bigoted bakers do. ;-)

We're talking perceived race, gender, sexuality, ethnic group, as identified by the discriminating individuals. They don't DNA scan or brain scan customers before serving (or denying) them, they react based on perception.

Skin color, that's totally changeable. Never heard of spray tans or bleach? Try watching Eddie Murphy's 'White like me'.

Odd you might argue against perception being the measure, since you seemed to argue that gays could be perceived as acceptably heterosexual by not acting on their uncontrollable urges and desires, bypassing the bigoted discrimination, essentially by lying.

Again it's about perceived ethnicity, not actual genetic heritage. Like you say, your actual heritage is unidentifiable by strangers, so less important to this discussion of public business discrimination.
If I want my wedding cake for me and Chris, and I wear my pink paisley silk shirt, leather chaps, choker, and heavy makeup to buy it that doesn't make me gay but the bigot baker would still deny me because he would assume I was.

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I so wish people like this would accept that they know sweet fuck all and just shut the hell up.

I know you can't deny the vote to people based on 'intelligence' or any other factor as you have to govern for ALL the people... by my gods does this make you feel like you want to.

'That them man has got dem funny name... I don't like them funny names, I don't like him. He be not white like me, and he have a funny name. I don't know anyone with a funny name around here, and I don't know anyone black, well, bar Nigger Jim who does that ploughing job over yonder field, so I don't like him'

'Now Hillary, I know some dem people with a name of Hillary, heck my auntie is called Hillary, so I like her. Plus she be white, I like white folk cause I am white folk.'


How does one get through to people like this I wonder? How can you speak to them such that you can get through that bigotry? CAN you get through that much insanely inbred bigotry? I hope you can, but I think it'd be pretty damn hard.