despite the message, this is an awful documentary. it just bounces through a whole collage of clips ripped straight out of much better films like 'The Corporation', 'Zeitgeist', 'The Century of the Self' and 'War Made Easy' etc. whoever made it can go fuck themselves.

you stated about the "thermite babble".
ok...that should be a topic of discussion


I would disagree, it should NOT be a topic of discussion. It deserves as much discussion as questions about Obama's birth certificate. It is a waste of time. I will gladly try to clarify the 'thermite babble' with friends, family and people I meet who believe it, I consider at least attempting that discussion worthwhile. I will avoid listening to hours of video that includes the 'thermite babble', that is relatively worthless.

I consider it akin to refuting the latest cult of the day. I consider watching Scientology's latest video to be relatively worthless. I do however consider discussing Scientology with friends, family and people I meet who don't know it's a scam worthwhile. I've already picked up enough about Hubbard that I really don't see the need for anymore proof for the truth of things. I don't feel a need to spend days and nights going through every piece of teaching anyone in Scientology has ever come out with before rejecting it all as not worth my time and a bad source for useful information. I consider videos that believe in the thermite myth to be in the same category of proven non-utility.


the "conspiracy theory" we were given and the questions therein have never been fully answered by the american government.


I'm not sure which 'conspiracy' you refer to. For certain I agree lots of what happened around 9/11 has not been answered, in particular a lot of what happened immediately after. My previous point though ties into my response here. Videos talking about thermite are one of the poorest places to go looking for those answers. The answer to the biggest question though is clear. Al-Qaeda was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. The proper response to that is littered with a lot of smoke and mirrors and a century of geo-politics, and I don't see any of the trailers for these videos looking as promising sources for wading through that.


i have no problem with disagreements,but at least digest the material before you critique said material.


Well, I've now watched the two that looked the most worthwhile.

"War Made Easy" didn't provide a single piece of novel information, and was little more than archived news footage with a one sided commentary read by Sean Penn. I learnt nothing as expected and wouldn't reccomend it to anyone. I'd in fact argue against someone not informed about recent history watching it for the very false image that it protrays of recent history taken all by itself without knowing the things the film leaves out.

"Why We Fight" confirms what I said I expected as the high mark of the videos. It includes some new footage and interviews, although the information found in those videos that is new/novel is trivial in nature. The major points and facts it does present are all available in other places, and with better context. More over, it presents an extremely one sided picture and works more strongly as a propaganda piece than as an informative work.

For anyone under the delusion that corruption isn't rampant in American government, this video has important information. There are better sources for that information though, and to be honest no video is likely to persuade people so deluded anyways. In the real world though, one has to actually look beyond the state of America and look also at the geopolitics of the places it is in conflict with. Yes, we all know Cheney is corrupt and his actions have been criminal, that isn't the final word on the Iraq conflict. In many ways, that fact is barely a footnote.

Both videos, as I've said elsewhere, follow the same road to failure as the mainstream media, and the same road to failure they themselves decry. That failure is the oversimplfication of geo-politics and it's causes. Both videos present the problem in American foreign policy as simply being too militaristic, and the solution as simple as reducing military spending or better media coverage of arising conflicts. If only the world where truly that simple. In reality things are vastly more complicated, and there is a wealth of video, interviews, and documentaries that attempt to investigate and reveal the layers of that complexity. These videos though are no where near that world.

I've presented my opinion before and I'll paraphrase again here.

You would be better served spending the 90 minutes this film runs watching old episodes of the Daily Show that you missed.

This is NOT a documentary in the journalistic sense of actually interviewing or even filming any new footage. It is at best a 'research' piece clipping together piles of carefully selected existing news and media clips and stringing them together with commentary. Unless you aren't familiar with what has been presented by the mainstream media over the years, there is NOTHING new to even be seen here. This is a video editorial, and is really nothing more. It's the same style of mashup and commentary that you can find from O'Reilly or Obermann, only this time with Sean Penn providing his take on things.

I must repeat, you are much better served watching a couple random episodes of the Daily Show. I guarantee you'll get to see an interview with at least one guest that shares something more interesting and novel than anything you'll find in "War Made Easy".

A more personal beef is the film starting off declaring how media has not reflected the complexity of the conflicts it covers. The movie then does nothing to try and reveal any of that complexity for any of the conflicts either. Worse, the film then carries on to commit the same sin itself. It pretends that the techniques used by government to build support for a war it deems necessary is proof the government simply wants war for war sake.

Unless you currently trust every word coming out of a government official's mouth is true, you have nothing to learn from this video. And I dare say if that describes you then unless you've been living in a cave your entire life this isn't going to change your mind either.

I've now watched the whole video, and my recommendation to others stands, don't bother. You would be infinitely better served spending the 90 minutes this film runs watching old episodes of the Daily Show that you missed.

This is NOT a documentary in the journalistic sense of actually interviewing or even filming any new footage. It is at best a 'research' piece clipping together piles of carefully selected existing news and media clips and stringing them together with commentary. Unless you aren't familiar with what has been presented by the mainstream media over the years, there is NOTHING new to even be seen here. This is a video editorial, and is really nothing more. It's the same style of mashup and commentary that you can find from O'Reilly or Obermann, only this time with Sean Penn providing his take on things.

I must repeat, your much better served watching a couple random episodes of the Daily Show. I guarantee you'll get to see an interview with at least one guest that shares something more interesting and novel than anything you'll find in "War Made Easy"

Why We Fight
http://www.videosift.com/video/Why-We-Fight-BBC-Storyville-US-war-machine-documentary
End Of America
http://www.videosift.com/video/End-Of-America-a-letter-of-warning-to-a-young-patriot
War Made Easy
http://www.videosift.com/video/War-Made-Easy
America: From Freedom to Fascism
http://www.videosift.com/video/America-From-Freedom-to-Fascism-full
The Future Of Food
http://www.videosift.com/video/The-Future-Of-Food
The Century of The Self
http://www.videosift.com/video/The-Century-of-The-Self-Part-1-of-4
The Corporation
http://www.videosift.com/video/The-Corporation-Documentary-on-Corporate-Influence

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Tu est correct MINK, it is an incredibly important Doc, Eric posted a clip in the past.
http://www.videosift.com/video/War-Made-Easy

re: War made easy.

Hey Eric, I actually added the doc to the playlist before I got your mail Good call. I watched the clip and did some searching for the full length doc with no luck yet, if you run into it lemme know, looks like a good one.

Cheers