I meant because Wagner isn’t calming or soothing, it’s the soundtrack for a bit of the old ultraviolence….


Self immolation is rarely a solution.

No. Only because I'm not impressed with how he spells his name with 2 "V's" together to make it look like a "W" just to make people look stupid when they say Wagner instead of Vagner.

People like him just make me want to dump gasoline all over myself and set myself on fire!

Other than that I like his tunes.

But you don’t deny what the article said, you just fight another paper tiger.
Ok
https://abcnews.go.com/US/special-counsel-probe-uncovers-new-details-trumps-inaction/story?id=106131854
https://www.msnbc.com/alex-wagner-tonight/watch/new-report-cites-trump-aides-testimony-on-damning-new-details-about-trump-on-jan-6-201658949634

-I guess that’s a “no” on being man enough to admit you are wrong about Trump being on the list of Epstein associates…something everyone knew was true years before it was released.

Footage of Wagner taking over the Russian military command center and threatening Moscow


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2023/06/24/putin-calls-wagner-challenge-treasonous-armed-rebellion/70353338007/

Things are fluid and unpredictable in Russia right now. The only certainty is that with Wagner forces turning on Russia, Ukrainians will have an easier time expelling the remaining Russians.

Yes, yes you have been proven wrong again. You might reconsider taking the word of the Russian military as a given. They only lie.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/5/18/russia-ukraine-live-news-overnight-attacks-rock-kyiv-odesa

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65662563

What happened was ONE line in the city advanced for the Russians about 500 yards, while multiple, nearly all others retreated the same distance or more, some by kilometers. Russians have abandoned the outskirts, concentrating their forces in the rubble of the city, but are nearly completely surrounded by the Ukrainian army, and Ukrainians still hold the 15% they’ve held for weeks. Wagner just declared that part unimportant and declared they had the city, without actually taking more of the city. You bought it, like you always buy anti democracy propaganda…Every. Single. Time.

Yes, you have been proven wrong again. It clearly triggered you, enough to try the idiotic ploy of just repeating Russian propaganda as fact. 😂
Everything from you in this thread, and the video itself, are direct regurgitation of pure Russian propaganda.

Such a silly boy. You have again failed current events class.

Also unconfirmed, but these reports have almost always been eventually confirmed by multiple reputable sources, while Wagner reports have nearly all been quickly debunked as pure propaganda and misinformation.

You stupid stupid man that roots for Russia and against democracy consistently. You think you can just repeat Russian propaganda, flatly deny reporting from any non Russian sources, and still convince someone you haven’t clearly taken sides, choosing Russia over democracy?

“Proven wrong”?!? ROTFLMFAHS!!! Please, if you think you can, explain exactly what I’ve said that’s been “proven wrong”. (Hint- Saying “Russia said so” actually proves me right). Be precise, not just generalizations…make sure you quote me, don’t intentionally incorrectly paraphrase what I said. I KNOW YOU WON’T EVEN TRY, you are just a dishonest coward whining.

Every legitimate source is reporting major advancements by Ukraine, retaking much of Bakhmut and the surrounding areas and establishing supply lines, Russian lines are falling, supply lines failing, and Russia is in a major retreat.
The only places you hear any hint Russia isn’t on the ropes is directly from Russia, no where else.
You get your pure Russian internet propaganda “news” from sources like “weeb nation” and other incels in mom’s basement and think it’s real?!? 😂 I guess you’ve forgotten how many times you repeated the Russian claims and claimed they had already taken Bakhmut, only to be proven wrong every time. You simply are incapable of learning, which must be why your English skills don’t exceed a poor 3rd grade student’s.

Even far right anti Biden CNN says this is only unverified Russian propaganda directly from repeated liar Prigozhin that has claimed to have taken Bakhmut more than a few times now (every time you buy it) and Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Maliar said Ukrainian troops were still “holding the defense” in a district on Bakhmut’s western-most edge.
“As of now, our defenders control certain industrial and infrastructure facilities in the area and the private sector,” she said.
I guess Prigozhin was lying about having taken the city, then about having no ammunition, about Wagner fleeing Bakhmut (on film), and about Russian regulars dropping their guns and fleeing the front lines just last week? But now he’s telling the truth….I see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEaqO_LVFUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydUUFiV630k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fqjEnSM20k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZnWA20iqo4

Admittedly not the city captured then 🤦‍♂️, Likely not any actual Russian advancements, only a change by saying the Ukrainian held parts are “unimportant”…and it’s certainly not an unimportant piece of the city as Russia is suddenly changing their narrative to indicate, the opposing army having a well defended stronghold in “your” city is hardly unimportant. Ukrainian territory is not shrinking but expanding and displacing Russians.
Ukrainian capabilities have increased by multiple generations of weaponry in the last few months, now capable of shooting down even hypersonic missiles, aircraft deep in Russia, even of getting Russia to shoot its own aircraft and soldiers. Russian capabilities are near nil, no new weaponry to bring to the front, only 50+ year old mothballed WW2 equipment no one has training with.

Russians are fleeing Crimea because it’s so clear it’s likely to be retaken soon.

COVID’s not real, the economy won’t suffer, Trump won the election, Jan 6 was a coup by BLM, Russia is winning in Ukraine. Your list of insanity grows daily, fool. Keep spreading Russian propaganda, it helps us identify it.

I’m actually glad you say this, because your reporting of facts and prognostication are so diametrically opposed to reality that your assertion that Russia is winning is real evidence they are losing.

“Side bitch”? Lol. Because we agree on some things?!? Um…..ok. I think he’s going to take issue with being declared my “side bitch”, right @surfingyt? I definitely don’t think of him (I assume) as some subordinate…just a fellow sifter with a brain.
At least I don’t have to create sock puppet accounts to have someone agree with me like you. 🤦‍♂️

Proven wrong again. This is getting too easy. Time and time again proven wrong. You and you side bitch @surfingyt
Not propaganda just facts.
You know when you seek not fake TV news and information you can actually learn. But that is too much for you. Stay in you narrow minded groove.

WAGNER CAPTURES BAKHMUT 20/05/23
Granted they could be pushed back.
This started 9 months ago and was a key hold for Ukraine and now , for the moment lost.
heck even cnn claims Bakhmut has fallen, except for a small unimportant piece. Also their narrative has shifted to that is Bakhmut is not an important territory.

Russia retreating on multiple fronts in Bakhmut. Not a tactical retreat, but Russian lines are dissolving as soldiers simply cut and run.
Lots of Wagner troops have pulled out, replaced by conscripted Russians regular army….they suck donkey balls as soldiers and don’t want to be there.
In one day they lost 5 sq km in Bakhmut.
Even Russia has admitted this.
😂

Russia has already lost territory in Ukraine they’ve held for years, and are about to (according to Wagner) abandon the front lines including Bakhmut on Wednesday because they have no ammo.
The Ukrainian counter assault hasn’t even started.
Crimea has been under attack, and Russia itself. The war has created the homeland danger it was supposed to be eliminating, but also destroyed Russia’s ability to defend itself! Lol.
It has also decimated an entire generation of Russian men and their economy, neither of which are likely to rebound.

Russia may not only lose all of Ukraine and Crimea, but also some of Russia proper. They will definitely lose international standing and a huge portion of gdp.

They have lost the war already….badly…and have absolutely zero chance of winning on the battlefield now that Ukraine has next gen weapons and training….they couldn’t win against non military citizens with bolt action rifles, how will they beat a well trained hardened military with M1 Abrams tanks, long range advanced mobile howitzers, anti tank/air missiles, 10000 well trained drone pilots, advanced air defenses, and the backing of NATO and the West?

I would absolutely support a >100 mile deep DMZ in Russia under Ukrainian and NATO control, and severe limitations on the Russian military limiting it to only defensive weapons and a minimal army. They will be lucky to get a deal that good if things continue.

Wagner claims publicly to be so under supplied they will leave Bakhmut on Wednesday.

Skip ahead to 2:10 if you just want to hear the head of Wagner admit his troops are near being wiped out and out of ammo….

Sweet Jeebus….you are posting videos from Hindustan Times directly quoting rebel and Wagner commanders as facts and YOU say I’M listening to propaganda!?!

Oh my, you are the funniest little fool I’ve ever encountered. No matter how many times they feed you anti democracy lies, you are there on your knees mouth agape ready to swallow more. 😲

Time will tell…always true…but you don’t seem to ever notice our respective records.

The information I share that you call “propaganda” turns out to be verifiably correct well over 95% of the time. The “information” you present that I call propaganda turns out to be false over 95% of the time, only supported by other easily debunked propaganda and admitted lying propagandists.
See a difference?

Notice I wrote who is claiming what with no opinion about who’s correct, while you posted propaganda directly from Russia as straight fact with no source listed…your source is apparently the Wagner group themselves and sounds like it’s a claim from January (that’s the only claim from Russia of 500 dead or wounded Ukrainians in one day that I can find)….who’s listening to the propaganda again, comrade? 🤦‍♂️

What’s undeniable even by you is that you post pro-Russia anti US, anti democracy “information” (propaganda) constantly and consistently, and you actively root against American interests so you can hopefully blame Democrats.
You should be careful, pro-Putin propagandists tend to explode lately like the one in St Petersburg that blew up today.

Upvoted the instant I saw the Hedgehog.

Some of those were painful. I just kept thinking “at least no one is butchering Wagner”. Ouch.

*quality badness