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simonm (Member Profile)

Republicans - RED WAVE

newtboy says...

Never bet against the stupidity of the American voter.

With voter suppression on the rise, vote invalidation based on as little as an untrained clerk's opinion of a signature or a middle name vs initial on the application and targeting minorities at >4 times the rate of whites, poll closures and inconsistent hours/services (longer hours and more early voting in affluent areas), and voting machines reportedly changing straight party democratic ticket votes to include votes for republican candidates (Cruz) in Texas at least, the results are far from a foregone conclusion.

The only thing conclusive to me is that this election will be suspect and considered illegitimate by whoever loses.
Russia is sure getting it's money's worth. We couldn't be more divided without taking up arms against each other... oh....wait....we are taking up arms against each other based on political affiliation already.

VOTE....and remind Republicans that Trump just gave them 5 extra days, until the 11th, to vote while anyone not registered Republican must vote on or before the 6th. ;-)

simonm (Member Profile)

Colbert To Trump: 'Doing Nothing Is Cowardice'

ChaosEngine says...

WTF does Hillary have to do with any of this?

Let's be very clear here. No-one is talking about banning guns (and if anyone is, they can fuck right off). Guns are useful tools. I've been target shooting a few times, I have friends who hunt. I wouldn't see their guns taken from them because they are sensible people who use guns in a reasonable way.

What we are talking about is a reasonable level of control, like background checks, restrictions on certain types of weapons, etc.

BTW, you might want to actually read the 2nd amendment.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

None of these people are in a well-regulated militia, and in 2017 "a well regulated militia" is not necessary to the security of the state, that's what a standing army and a police force are for.

Your seatbelt analogy also makes no sense at all. If I drive around without a seatbelt and crash, the only one hurt is me (I'm still a fucking inconsiderate asshole if I do that, but that's another story). Guns are all about hurting other people, so it makes sense to regulate them.


Fundamentally, the USA needs to grow the fuck up and stop believing "Die Hard" is a documentary.

You are not Roy Rogers.
You do not need a gun for "home defence".
You are more likely to be killed by a criminal if you have a gun than if you don't.
And the most powerful weapon you have against a fascist dictatorship is not firearms, but the ballot box.

The irony is that while your democracy is increasingly slipping away from you (gerrymandering, super PACs, voter suppression), you have a corporate-funded lobby group protecting your firearms.

scheherazade said:

Precisely. They have those guns in their hands, and don't shoot people.



The only things that I ding Hillary on are :

- Being a part of installing missile launchers on Russia's eastern border, and giving the asinine explanation that it's "to defend against Iran". Antagonizing Russia is so unnecessary and so old. I swear some people are just thirsty for the cold war to return.

- Cheating with the DNC in the primaries and screwing Bernie out of a win... who by the way could have carried the general election against carrot head. I'd rather have the Bern than either a sellout or a clown.


One side sees the other as paranoid.
The other side sees the first as short sighted.

I don't expect to be in a crash, I still prefer to wear a seat belt. But by all means, I don't care if someone chooses not to.

-scheherazade

Liberal Redneck - What's It Gonna Take Yall

entr0py says...

Voter suppression and gerrymandering?

littledragon_79 said:

I disagree that republicans won't/can't win again. I think they might actually have their fingers on something powerful in American politics that could almost guarantee their victory.

Michael Moore perfectly encapsulated why Trump won

RedSky says...

@eoe

As ironic as it may be to say this, I think that the Republican Congress will be a strong bulwark against Trump's more nationalistic impulses if it turns out he actually wants to act on them and they weren't just part of demagogic campaigning.

If for no other reason that they know demographics are against them in the longer term. They may have won the election on the electoral college but lost the popular vote - even with all the attempts at voter suppression. In the longer term, winning with their party base becomes harder and harder.

They know if Trump enacts genuine deportation measures against Latinos then the frankly astounding 1/3 of voting Latinos that supported Trump will turn sharply against the Republican party. That group represents the fastest growing demographic in America and they can't afford to lose them for a generation.

In contrast, they will be also act a constraint against any of his ideas on infrastructure spending, congressional term limits or curbing trade. Since it's already clear he's filling his cabinet with establishment Republicans and he has little knowledge of policy, he will likely acquiesce to their suggestions for lack of any other policy advice.

Democrats are in deep trouble - even if Hillary Clinton wins

Stormsinger says...

They didn't want our votes this summer...they made that clear with their voter suppression. Now I say, fuck 'em. I no longer support either of the corporate parties, nor any of their candidates. That will hold true as long as they stay corporate.

iaui said:

Shit, Democrats, you need to _vote_.

John Green Debunks the Six Reasons You Might Not Vote

Redacted Tonight: NY Primary Wasn't Legit (Clinton VS Sander

newtboy says...

You would be correct, but that's not what happened.
Yes, many independents didn't register as Democrats by October, but many more were removed from the rolls or had their party affiliation changed without their knowledge...and many 'new' voters were sent official notices that the primary is in November! THOSE are what people are outraged about, that people didn't register in time, that's just disappointing and a terrible system.
That many didn't vote, that is conspiracy not lazyness, because so many didn't vote because their polling places didn't open until noon, or closed all together.
It's the DNC and Clinton's fault if she and the DNC collude to secretly remove thousands of NEWLY REGISTERED DEMOCRATS from voting rolls, or change their party affiliation so they can't vote in the primary, close polling places in 'Sanders strongholds' like Brooklyn, and cut the hours that others are open by 1/2....which is what happened.
It is clearly and definitely a conspiracy....just POSSIBLY not one Clinton is personally responsible for (although that's incredibly unlikely). It is POSSIBLE that the DNC is doing all this underhanded voter suppression themselves in order to ...I just can't figure it out...to throw the election for Trump? That's what is likely if they continue this shoving Clinton down our throats...she won't be getting independents votes and they know it. I can't fathom why they want to lose the election so badly.
What's been reported, the DNC putting a Clinton campaign worker in charge of the 'voter suppression investigation', is also TERRIBLE and smacks of conspiracy. OF COURSE they aren't going to find any issues, since all inconsistencies have benefited Clinton.
In open primaries (the only ones that come close to mirroring an actual election), Bernie does quite well. He's also probably going to take California by a landslide, which is a good reason they haven't reported a single poll from here. If he wins there (here) like he did in Alaska, he wins, unless the 'super delegates' steal the election for her...which is a likelyhood.

EDIT: I suppose you don't think THIS is an underhanded conspiracy either?
http://videosift.com/video/Hillary-8482-s-Paid-Trolls-Take-Down-Bernie-Facebook-Pages

robdot said:

It's not Clinton's fault if people don't register, or vote. He's just losing,,he's losing,,that's all. There is no conspiracy, he's losing. All this crybaby bullshit has grown extremely tiresome.

TYT Republicans destroy and have no solutions

VoodooV says...

here's your answer: http://www.whytuesday.org/answer/

blows me away that back then it took 2 days for people to vote. makes complaining about how long it takes to vote now even with a long line seem that much more petty

still, I don't think moving it to the weekend would be significantly better. too many people would go on a trip or make other weekend plans that would also interfere with voting.

If I had to pick a single day (to be a national holiday for voting) I'd pick Wednesday. if you make it any other day, it just encourages people to make a long weekend out of it and make other plans.

but then, I also have to ask....why does it have to be a single day? Why can't there be a voting week? The cost of having elections would go up, sure. so I don't know exactly if that's the way to go.... or what about 2 or 3 days voting time?

In recent decades, however, high voter turnout tends to favor Democrats, and low voter turnout tends to favor Republicans and midterms have always had low voter turnout.

So is it any surprise Republicans have been trying to implement all these voter suppression laws...under the guise of voter fraud (hah!) of course

ChaosEngine said:

Can anyone explain to me why the hell you have elections on a weekday?

Daily Show: GOP admits to racism and voter suppression

newtboy says...

The guy is (was) a GOP spokesperson, and therefore anything he says is more than a little suspect. Where I live, an ID costs at least $15 + a day or more at the DMV. Of course, we don't have voter ID laws here.
And to answer your reply to VoodooV: All voter ID laws/bills have been clearly and repeatedly associated with the CLAIM that they are about stopping voter fraud. It's the ONLY "legitimate" reason for them (and it's only "legitimate" if you can falsely convince people it's happening, which it is not in any meaningful way). This video is the first time I've heard the GOP admit it's about democratic voter suppression, until now it's ALWAYS been about voter fraud.
I hope you're right, time will tell, and there's still time for 'community activists' to form and implement a plan to get disadvantaged people the ID they need to vote at no cost to them. That doesn't mean they will, but they certainly should.

bobknight33 said:

The guy indicated that the ID is free.

And like I said earlier, Time will tell.

Daily Show: GOP admits to racism and voter suppression

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VoodooV (Member Profile)

enoch (Member Profile)

jonny says...

thanks - yeah, I think I tried that, but it wasn't working because it was an iframe embed, and I couldn't get youtube to give me the old style embed.

html5 -> WINNING!

In reply to this comment by enoch:
In reply to this comment by jonny:
How long before a significant majority of FoxNews viewers believe the actual voter suppression tactics used by Republicans in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, etc., were in fact a conspiracy led by Axelrod to suppress republican votes in keys districts?

Oh, and Karl:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/mZqj_et2_UY

(How do we embed video in comments again?)


< bracket and then type br ending with > then paste the embed code.may have to have it on classic embed code for it to work though =)

jonny (Member Profile)

enoch says...

In reply to this comment by jonny:
How long before a significant majority of FoxNews viewers believe the actual voter suppression tactics used by Republicans in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, etc., were in fact a conspiracy led by Axelrod to suppress republican votes in keys districts?

Oh, and Karl:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/mZqj_et2_UY

(How do we embed video in comments again?)


< bracket and then type br ending with > then paste the embed code.may have to have it on classic embed code for it to work though =)



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