Not a dupe - but is this located at the same residence of:
http://videosift.com/video/The-most-nerdy-thing-you-want-to-have-Star-Trek-Touchscreen

>> ^pho3n1x:

You can have LCARS on your home pc from LCARSx32.com but it hasn't been worked on actively since 2008.According to http://lcarsx32.com/lcars/download.php?category=weekly , it is still being worked on. It was last updated in September.

I demoed it on my 3GS and yeah sure it looks impressive ... but it's so obvious just trying it out that touchscreen controls will never work effectively for anything other than turn based games.

Controlling in FPS mode is a massive pain and it's just blatantly clear that touch controls are never going to be responsive enough for this to be anything but a gimmick.

Touchscreens are not all iPhone. My friends have this cooktop, which utilizes "touch screen" tech.

err, there are plenty of touchscreens near food and on cooking apparatuses in the food industry.

while concept is awesome, delicate touchscreen near a stove is a bad idea.
all the greese, oils, splatter, heat..i don't know..

also wouldn't induction cooking be even more efficient than this?

Daeno, the argument is about hard wired button vs software based display/touchscreen buttons, yes, but not keyboards in general. Tactile feedback is a must for keyboards, yea. I will never see the keyboard dissapear in the wake of a display style keyboard. But not everything needs a keyboard for lengthy word typing and I much prefer my portable devices to have a clean front with maxium display from corner to corner. Less clutter and my eye sight is fully centered on the lcd image and not the multi button frame of the device in hand.

Can't wait for Windows Phone series 7 That, will probably be my first taste of a touchscreen phone.

@volumptuous

You have found it to be a nice thing for you, and that's great, I just have this sneaky suspicion that a large portion of those buying them will fiddle with them for a while and then realise that it's too big to carry around with them every day, so will use their phone, or not featured enough to use for other things they want, and so use a laptop or desktop. It's a suspicion of mine, and it may well be proven to be wrong.

I don't care where any given piece of tech comes from. I think the iPhone 4 looks like a very nice phone indeed... I won't get one because a) They are on plans that are over what I spend for a mobile phone, and b) I really don't like the whole app approval, must use iTunes, do things our way malarky... and no, I don't want to Jailbreak my phone to get around that, I'd prefer to support an OS that doesn't require it to be circumvented to be useful.

But I can see that it's an awesome phone that'll make many people really happy... very nicely designed too.

I just don't think this middle ground between a laptop and a mobile needed by as big a section of the population as is being touted. People think the idea is cool... this flat piece of tech that looks like it's from the future... but I think the huge success of the iPhone is that it's all those things, and it can fit in your pocket.

That's the kicker for awesome touchscreen phones... they fit in your pocket... they can be with you all the time. I guess I just don't see the use for one myself for the large portion of the population... for a smaller subset, like yourself, sure, they're wonderful...

Again though:

Macs... pretty awesome machines, and if Apple themselves, and their users, didn't go around pretending they were faultless and never crash and were god's gift to the computer world, then I'd like them even more. I still want one, sure, but can't afford one.

iPhones: Nice phones indeed, absolutely a revolutionary device with it's interaction and the App Store... I just have the better option of Android now, and want to go with that instead

iPad: To me... just lacking any real purpose for the the population at large. Yes, great in certain situations... just not that many.

>> ^Deano:

Hang on here. Let's be fair. I don't know who invented touchscreens or pinch to zoom or whatever and I don't much care.
But it's Apple who have come along and made mobile devices that are nice to use - very nice. No one else was rushing to take a chance on making an iphone. If it wasn't for them I reckon we would still be stuck with devices like my Nokia 6680, which is admittedly rubbish and with each passing day becomes more annoying to use. I've stuck it out for ages but gradually, very gradually, I can hear the call of an HTC Desire.
Before this I experimented with a Palm Tungsten PDA - overall it wasn't great. You had to use the stylus and learn that grafiti thing. And there was no itunes equivalent, no desire to connect with the customer and installing programs was tedious and would be buggy when you did. It didn't make me productive and it wasn't much fun either.

The iPhone is no doubt a nice phone, but it's not exactly like Apple invented the wheel here. In any case, I thought this thread was more about the iPad and whether any of us would buy it. I have to confess that I don't like flash, but even I have to admit that it's become part of the web experience. Somehow I feel the iPad would be great for things like playing Hapland on your couch, but obviously Jobbo takes it personally when it comes to Adobes format and won't allow it.

With the far superior Asus tablet coming out next year there's absolutely no reason for me to buy the iPad. Besides, I'm trying to get away from buying products of corporations that are into torture and restriction of free speech.

Hang on here. Let's be fair. I don't know who invented touchscreens or pinch to zoom or whatever and I don't much care.
But it's Apple who have come along and made mobile devices that are nice to use - very nice. No one else was rushing to take a chance on making an iphone. If it wasn't for them I reckon we would still be stuck with devices like my Nokia 6680, which is admittedly rubbish and with each passing day becomes more annoying to use. I've stuck it out for ages but gradually, very gradually, I can hear the call of an HTC Desire.

Before this I experimented with a Palm Tungsten PDA - overall it wasn't great. You had to use the stylus and learn that grafiti thing. And there was no itunes equivalent, no desire to connect with the customer and installing programs was tedious and would be buggy when you did. It didn't make me productive and it wasn't much fun either.

Isn't the digital landscape that more fertile for everyone now thanks to Apple?

@Farhad2000 - just to be clear there's no way they're forcing you to buy their products. I'm not using any - the limitations just rub me the wrong way.

>> ^campionidelmondo:

>> ^dag:
I would also posit that the same thing has happened, albeit in a smaller way, with the iPhone and iPad. finger optimised UI, Flick to scroll, bounce back scrolling, pinch to zoom and more are innovations out of Apple's skunkworks. These innovations exist on Android and Pre phones - but to assume that this would have happened without Apple is naive.

Nope sorry, Apple did not "invent" all of these things. I know about flicking and pinch to zoom being around before the iPhone, there's even a video of a desk-sized tabled demo employing those tecniques around here, but I can't find it right now.
Good thing Apple did not invent the mouse cursor, or else we all would have to use some weird thingy like a crosshair or sth because you can bet your ass they would've patented it.

>> ^dag:

I'm sorry wait - are you saying that Windows changed a paradigm by inventing a GUI?
I would argue that Apple - yes, has invented a paradigm changing GUI - (again). Flicking to scroll around a capacitive touchscreen all seems very passe in perfect 20/20 hindsight - but so-called smart phones weren't doing it before the iPhone. Have a look at a Nokia or Windows Mobile phone from that era- and it's pretty clear. static icons, optimised for a stylus or control pad, nothing harnessing the power of your finger. The Android phones are very good- I might get one some day - but they owe a debt of innovation to Apple for blazing the trail.
I'm sure that getting a game distributed through EA or Steam would be great, and they may have better terms than Apple - but I'd argue that single hacker working in his basement to make something cool has a very slim chance in brokering a deal with EA or Valve. The App store is making a lot of these single programmers very rich - and I think that's a good, disruptive thing.
>> ^EDD:
>> ^dag:
Apple has once again changed the paradigm of how we use computers.
Apple has empowered a whole generation of "little guy" developers to make good money from the app ecosystem - wresting power from the established game behemoths like EA.

"Changed the paradigm"? What are you smoking, mate? They might have changed the paradigm if they invented the touch screen (they didn't). They might have changed the paradigm if they invented a new, ultra-popular activity that we use computers for, like twitter or facebook or e-mail (they didn't). They might have changed the paradigm if they invented the mouse or a GUI like Windows (they didn't). They might have changed the paradigm if they invented MS Office or at least an equal alternative to at least one of its products (they haven't). But a simple rework on an ages-old tablet device which is only becoming popular now because of the brand and the drop in price which they can take very little, if any, credit for? Puhh-lease.
And as for your second argument - try and compare Apple terms for iPhone devs to EA Partners terms or Valve's Steam terms. You'll find that there are few publishers with shittier deals for game and software devs than Apple. And by the way - moving into the social mini-game market isn't exactly "wresting power" from publishers of AAA console and PC publishers like EA.


Whatchu talkin' 'bout Willis? Hahaha...see what I did there? I said that thing Gary Coleman used to say and now he's dead. Just as dead as the horse you guys are kicking...

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I'm sorry wait - are you saying that Windows changed a paradigm by inventing a GUI?

I would argue that Apple - yes, has invented a paradigm changing GUI - (again). Flicking to scroll around a capacitive touchscreen all seems very passe in perfect 20/20 hindsight - but so-called smart phones weren't doing it before the iPhone. Have a look at a Nokia or Windows Mobile phone from that era- and it's pretty clear. static icons, optimised for a stylus or control pad, nothing harnessing the power of your finger. The Android phones are very good- I might get one some day - but they owe a debt of innovation to Apple for blazing the trail.

I'm sure that getting a game distributed through EA or Steam would be great, and they may have better terms than Apple - but I'd argue that single hacker working in his basement to make something cool has a very slim chance in brokering a deal with EA or Valve. The App store is making a lot of these single programmers very rich - and I think that's a good, disruptive thing.

>> ^EDD:

>> ^dag:
Apple has once again changed the paradigm of how we use computers.
Apple has empowered a whole generation of "little guy" developers to make good money from the app ecosystem - wresting power from the established game behemoths like EA.

"Changed the paradigm"? What are you smoking, mate? They might have changed the paradigm if they invented the touch screen (they didn't). They might have changed the paradigm if they invented a new, ultra-popular activity that we use computers for, like twitter or facebook or e-mail (they didn't). They might have changed the paradigm if they invented the mouse or a GUI like Windows (they didn't). They might have changed the paradigm if they invented MS Office or at least an equal alternative to at least one of its products (they haven't). But a simple rework on an ages-old tablet device which is only becoming popular now because of the brand and the drop in price which they can take very little, if any, credit for? Puhh-lease.
And as for your second argument - try and compare Apple terms for iPhone devs to EA Partners terms or Valve's Steam terms. You'll find that there are few publishers with shittier deals for game and software devs than Apple. And by the way - moving into the social mini-game market isn't exactly "wresting power" from publishers of AAA console and PC publishers like EA.

The little lady has one. She's using it right now to look for apartments. It's pretty much what you expect: a large iPod Touch. But the touchscreen is extremely responsive and the battery life is insane.

There's no :hover style in Flash ActionScript.

Mouseover events are still used for web with mouse cursors. I suppose "antiquated" was a bad choice of words. However they will not serve touchscreens for UI feedback. But you're right, I didn't think of drag and drop.

Let me say it this way then: for touchscreens the rollovers generated on mouseover events most likely won't be necessary. A combination of a release event and mouse within event could be useful.