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Uh-oh!

mram says...

That was pretty funny.

But it's deflection. Orange man still bad. I can explain why. Ask me.

And you have yet to show how orange man not bad. Orange man break law. Orange man lie. Orange man flail over a bunch of stories.

I never took documents.
The documents I took weren't classified.
The documents I took were declassified when I removed them.
I was never asked for the documents.
I gave all of the documents.
I gave the documents that were asked for.
YOU COULD HAVE JUST ASKED FOR THEM.

Interesting word soup there and some absolute contradictions given that the moment Orange Man left office - and he did leave office - he wasn't supposed to have any documents. So you know... party of law and order, but not when I do it, right?

By the way, as I do work with the government, there is no magic wand to declassify documents, even for the POTUS. Declassification of records of any kind is a documented and methodical process, not a whimsical adhoc "nah lets not do mcdonalds, I want burger king" choice.

Yeah ... "uh oh!"

Looking forward to your talking points, once Faux and Friends figure out the most inflammatory angle.

bobknight33 said:

"This is what indoctrination looks like"

Uh-oh!

newtboy says...

The calls are coming from inside the house.



Now reported, the FBI was tipped off by someone EXTREMELY close to Donny, like family member close, that he had only turned over 1/2 the classified documents he had stolen from the whitehouse, that he was keeping them unsecured in a basement, and might be about to destroy them like he did so many other documents. D’oh!

His appointees, not the left and not Biden, acting on information coming directly from his own household (or family) FOUND a dozen MORE boxes containing classified documents kept totally unsecured in a basement. No wonder you’re so triggered. 5 - 15 years per document. Let me say that again….5-15 years per document. Stealing and exposing classified top secret documents is not a nothing burger, they are two separate felonies….for each page he took and exposed.

Edit: new reporting indicated there WAS a subpoena for these stolen top secret documents served in June, and the FBI took more documents then (on top of the 15 boxes handed over in Feb/March)…then were tipped off by a household member that there were boxes and boxes more still being held. So much for those talking points, I guess we know why Trump won’t release the warrant, it would destroy his story. 😂

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Lol. I’M narrow minded?!? ROTFLMFAHS!!!

Who told you that?! They lied.

Wiki-Five House Committees (Armed Services, Foreign Affairs, Intelligence, Judiciary, and Oversight and Government Reform) initiated their own inquiries soon after the attack. The Republicans on these five House Committees delivered an interim report to the Members of the House Republican Conference on April 23, 2013. The interim report, which contains the conclusions of the Republican majority staff, signed only by the five Republican chairmen of those committees and stated "This staff report has not been officially adopted by the Committee on Armed Services, the Committee on Foreign Affairs, the Committee on the Judiciary, the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, or the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and therefore may not necessarily reflect the views of their Members," was critical of the Obama Administration's actions before, during, and after the attack. Among dozens of findings, the report states that:

"Senior State Department officials knew that the threat environment in Benghazi was high and that the Benghazi compound was vulnerable and unable to withstand an attack, yet the department continued to systematically withdraw security personnel"
The "[Obama] Administration willfully perpetuated a deliberately misleading and incomplete narrative that the attacks evolved from a political demonstration caused by a YouTube video."
"... after a White House Deputies Meeting on Saturday, September 15, 2012, the Administration altered the talking points to remove references to the likely participation of Islamic extremists in the attacks. The Administration also removed references to the threat of extremists linked to al-Qa'ida in Benghazi and eastern Libya ..."
"The Administration deflected responsibility by blaming the IC [intelligence community] for the information it communicated to the public in both the talking points and the subsequent narrative it perpetuated."
Democrats on the five committees criticized the report, which they said had been written without Democratic input, as a "partisan Republican" work that was "unnecessarily politicizing our national security".

Also “ Democrats on the committee certainly say this was political and politically constructed. They say there were many witnesses whose testimony wasn't released because it supported the administration and particularly supported Hillary Clinton.”

There were 8 Benghazi investigations, 7 of which were only done as political attacks on Clinton to hurt her presidential run, admitted by McCarthy and others on tape. That’s why, even though their Republican led investigations found no wrongdoing he called it a win against Clinton because the accusations hurt her politically.

You get what you call one point of view because one side, the anti democracy pro-sedition side, refuses to testify, ignores subpoenas, and hides and destroys evidence….the same “side” that boycotted the investigations and refused to authorize a non partisan outside investigation, then whined they weren’t being allowed to participate…the treason side….your side.
They have absolutely been able to present another side…under oath. Trump has an open invitation, as do all his co-conspirators that ignored subpoenas. They refuse, or are incapable.
There have been plenty of Trump officials who did give their point of view, and every one has said Trump was clearly attempting a coup, knew he lost the election early, knew his plots were absolutely illegal, and many quit on Jan 6 when it became obvious he was willing to violently attack America and his own VP intentionally to retain power by any means.
You know this, you just hope someone else is as dumb as you act and can be fooled into believing your nonsense that this is a partisan politically motivated hatchet job, not an investigation into the worst attack against America on the mainland since the Southern Insurrection (otherwise known as the civil war).

bobknight33 said:

You so narrow minded. It is truly sad.


Those other investigations had the other side to counter.

There is not 1 counter point of view - It is not allowed on this Bull Shit Jan 6 smear job.



The Jan 6 just a want to paint a false one sided narrative.

Biden and the June job reports

mram says...

Yes, I am, thank you.

I don't think many R's are truly interested in a rational debate. So I wont engage. And that doesn't mean you're right.

It also doesn't mean that the current problems aren't the result of actions and inactions of the R side of politics as well. They need their talking points and blame games. We know where the problems are. It's not Democrat. The R's had a way to fix this but they won't allow any wins. It's childish. We all suffer as a result.

I don't blame Capt. Orange solely. I blame the entire GOP.

We will remember.

bobknight33 said:

100% correct.

Hayes: NRA "Good Guy With A Gun" Theory Failed In Real Time

newtboy says...

Yep…not true at Parkland, wasn’t true here. There were DOZENS of “good guys with guns” milling around outside, and 19 inside, not one even tried to help, some assaulted students, parents, and teachers, but not the shooter.

Edit: 19 officers were inside, on the other side of the door while children were being shot to death for 45 minutes…during which time they heard the screams of children being shot to death, they received multiple calls from inside the classroom explaining that there were multiple dead kids, multiple still living children, and more being shot with every call, yet they did absolutely nothing but wait. They claim today that they decided he was a barricaded suspect and there was no time pressure to stop him despite being able to hear children being murdered just feet away from where they stood with their thumbs up their asses.
It now seems, according to today’s story from police (a story that changes with every telling) even the tactical team from border police was on scene almost 40 minutes before they went in.

*doublepromote *quality debunking of another of the right’s idiotic talking points.

I think 21 officers from that force need to be executed on the spot by grieving parents, with no charges for the shooters, and the rest fired and banned from being even unarmed security guards for life, with prison if they even attempt another job in law enforcement. This was undeniable proof that police aren’t heroes, aren’t there to protect the public, and are in reality just cowardly thugs with guns and authority that don’t step up when needed.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Mr engineer, when there are two parties, sentence structure demands you use plurals….both sides have THEIR share of undesirables. An engineer should see grammar as a clearly defined structure that follows simple rules and just get it. Spelling is different, but grammar should be a no brainer….why is it so hard for you? Have you never seen it that way, or was engineering incredibly difficult for you too?

The difference being one side is all undesirables, and the level of undesirability. One side openly calls for an end to American democracy, death for their political rivals, death for anyone who disagrees with today’s talking point. One side has no party platform, no stated goals, and exists solely to stop any legislation the other side puts forth, even when it was something they want or that would benefit them. They are the same side.

We found another point of agreement.

Term limits are a must, and will never happen because our system does put the regulatory onus on those who need regulating….absolute insanity. It also lets them set their own salaries, ethics, and benefits.

Divestment is another must. Perhaps a bigger must. Total divestment across the board. Not just blind trusts that aren’t really blind, and absolutely not what we have now…the “honor” system run by the honorless. Allowing legislatures to write horrific laws because they can personally financially benefit is a recipe for disaster. That should (but never will) change.

Campaign finance is a third must. Corporations should have the same donation limits individuals have, which should be more like $100 each so every person can afford to have a voice, and we should return to an equal time on broadcast tv for free situation and deny the media as a political platform to give candidates a boost….no more Fox News interviews indistinguishable from campaign commercials, no more media smear campaigns, with severe penalties for violations, like $10 mil the first time, $25 mil the second, loss of fcc license the third. Another non starter….but needed badly.

PACs should be outlawed, or regulated into obscurity.

Some reasons often brought up in opposition to term limits can be traced back to Maddison who wrote "[A] few of the members of Congress will possess superior talents; will by frequent re-elections, become members of long standing; will be thoroughly masters of the public business, and perhaps not unwilling to avail themselves of those advantages. The greater the proportion of new members of Congress, and the less the information of the bulk of the members, the more apt they be to fall into the snares that may be laid before them,"

I think we have proven at this point the cons of self serving representatives legislating for personal gains outweigh the benefits of professional legislators, especially seeing as we have the internet and huge staffs to ostensibly level the playing field of knowledge.

One fix would be the creation of an ethics branch, completely non partisan, not self regulatory, with rules against former candidates (winners and losers) and lobbyists too from serving and strict rules about how they operate, and bans from running for office or being a lobbyist afterwards so it doesn’t become a campaign platform or tool for industry. Maybe even ban close family members from the same. Won’t happen, only the best people intentionally limit their powers, and they are few and far between in Congress….all but absent on your side.

bobknight33 said:

Cheney is 1 of the "others"

Both sides have its share of undesirables.

Term limits should be a must, but we have "the fox watching the hen house" so this will never happen.

Last Week in the Republican Party

newtboy says...

Ruh-Roe.
Republicans, at least some like Rick Scott, have finally put forth a platform for Republicans.
That plan he put forward is to raise taxes on low income taxpayers (but not top earners) and it would sunset (set an end date for) programs like Medicaid, Medicare, and social security.
It’s so terrible he even has to lie about it on Fox News, claiming those features were really just Democrat talking points….it’s so bad in fact that Fox News actually called him out for lying about it and pointed out that all that is in his stated written plan.

This Republican’s only platform just ostracized everyone over 65 in America and everyone making under $50k per year….and you think they’ll sweep the mid term?! Hmmmmmm.

eoe said:

I don't think you've been paying attention. Democrats have been failing at all attempts at decent legislation. A lot of the progressive democrats are disillusioned (again) and will likely not vote. I'm guessing there's gunna be a Republican sweep and possibly even Trump in office in 2024.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

“People who have nothing to hide, don’t bleach their emails, or destroy evidence to keep it from being publicly archived as required under federal law.”
D J Trump

Aaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaaa…….ahh….ahh….aaaaaaaaahahahahahaha!

Absolutely incontrovertible that he absolutely knew with no doubt that stealing these publicly owned documents was undeniably criminal. It was a main talking point of his campaign.
If there’s no prosecution and sentence for this blatant violation of exactly the laws he claimed disqualified Clinton for 1% of what he’s been caught red handed with, expect absolutely zero record of Biden’s administration, nothing. If burning any and all records you want hidden isn’t violating clear law, isn’t worth prosecution, anything goes.
Waiting to hear from Republicans….will they want prosecution, or will they do Olympic level mental gymnastics to pretend burning unscanned, uncopied original official documents and stealing others including classified documents then storing them in an unsecured closet is fine, but having a digital copy is treason. Forewarning, “he was the president and could do whatever he wanted” 1) isn’t true in America, all Americans know that and 2) let’s Biden do whatever he wants, fuck your feelings.


Democrat voter has strong message for Biden

newtboy says...

This is not a Democrat any more than Diamond and Silk. This is a paid political actor. Far from the first Fox put on the air pretending to be a Democrat.
Every “complaint” is a dishonest Right wing talking point not based in reality.

Biden allowed trans women in sports!? Exactly how did Biden do that? Precisely when? Exactly what was his personal act that suddenly allowed that when it was disallowed before? Odd, since trans women have publicly participated since 75 and the Olympics allowed them since 2004.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_sports

Afghanistan….as mentioned above, set up by Trump and the Taliban after Trump had thousands of Taliban fighters released from prison that immediately attacked Afghanistan. There was no other way that would go but a faster, more chaotic withdrawal earlier like Trump agreed to (but made no efforts to plan).

Critical Race Theory?! Of course, this Republican shill misrepresents what it is and where it’s taught. He doesn’t like how racial sensitivity divides us, but has no issue with the Republican laws being enacted that outlaw making white people feel uncomfortable. I defy him to define critical race theory and tell me where children are being taught that class. They can’t.
Next he tries the 2020 Trump position, Covid isn’t dangerous, there shouldn’t be ANY pandemic response, and all the dead are now Biden’s fault because he did something to mitigate damages and slow the spread.

Next he claims that Democrats have moved so far LEFT that they aren’t recognizable, but in reality the Democrats have moved far to the right for decades and the right has taken a rocket sled into far far FAR right wing insanity…..so far that they want to befriend communist/socialist Russia to spite the American leftists. WHAT!?

The fact that another paid political actor is willing to act a fool on Fox and lie through his teeth means nothing more than more evidence that they’re blatant liars and their audience are brain dead slugs that couldn’t critically think their way out of a wet paper bag. I’m looking at you, @bobknight33…trying the same old dishonest #walkaway nonsense that failed before. (Because they were all stock photos and paid actors)

Jordan Klepper vs. Anti-Vaxxers in SoCal | The Daily Show

newtboy says...

Funny they want to imply these are far left liberal anti vaxers because they’re Californians, but they all spouted far right wing talking points verbatim. I wish, when they bring up body autonomy, he would ask “so you’re pro choice, right?” I think their answers would clear up who many of these people really are.

FYI, Jordan, there are tons of bat shit crazy right wingers in California , especially in the LA area.

moonsammy (Member Profile)

Let's talk about Trump's accomplishments...

newtboy says...

Oh fuck, Bobby...20 lies to debunk? You suck.

1) and how many lost?...tens of millions
2) citation needed, and even if true, there are many more unemployed too, there are more of us. What you neglect is that there are more trying to work because it’s impossible to live on one average income and even children have to work to pay the family bills
3) citation needed, and lost how many millions? The net has been a loss of manufacturing, most of his gains never materialized
4) for one quarter after declining at the fastest rate in history for two. If I drop you off a 100’ cliff yesterday, then lift you up by 6’ today, I still made your position much worse even though it’s incredibly better than yesterday when you were falling...I don't get kudos for picking you up after stomping you into the dirt.
5) economic growth the quarter before reduced by what was it, >30%? That’s still a loss, dummy. See #4
6) new unemployment claims hit 50year highs for 3 quarters before, and new rules take many unemployed off the list so it looks better for Donny. The unemployment rate is still historically high
7)average household income has decreased. Rich became much richer, poor became poorer. Average Americans saw a loss in income
8 ) already discussed unemployment, you’re misstating or obfuscating the whole picture
9) anyone suspected of being undocumented is removed from the list....not an honest number by far
10) more fake numbers
11) more fake numbers
12) more fake numbers
13) more fake numbers
14) more fake numbers

Here’s the real data, notice only three states weren’t in the worst unemployment position ever last year.... https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/lauhsthl.htm
Also note not a single one is at it’s historic low unemployment, and most saw record high unemployment rates for most of 2020.
I give him credit, at the beginning of 2020, before he screwed it all up with his failures over the Trump pandemic, about 1/3 of states were near record unemployment by the newer standards. I have to wonder how much of those gains were due to changing g the criteria for counting the unemployed.
When you drop your victim in a 100’ hole you don’t get kudos for throwing them a 6’ ladder
15) you mean thrown out of the programs, there’s more need than anytime since the Great Depression. It's incredibly dishonest to make qualifying for assistance far more difficult, then use the lower numbers of people who qualify as proof you improved conditions. Utter bullshit.
16) they’ve pledged that before. Call me when they graduate, until then it’s another empty promise
17) citation? Probably a Trump speech talking point
18) it was Christmas...they ALWAYS surge in Dec, usually by a ton more than this year. Let’s see the yearly number for 2020. I don’t believe for a second it was better than 2019...citation? Oops, looked it up, declined, didn’t go up. I think you’re looking at predictions for December, they were WAY below predictions.

US Retail Sales Unexpectedly Drop in December
US retail trade fell 0.7 percent from a month earlier in December 2020, following a revised 1.4 percent decline in November and compared with market expectations of a flat reading. That was also the third consecutive month of decline in consumption, amid record COVID-19 infections, high unemployment levels and lack of government's support. Receipts declined at electronics & appliance stores (-4.9 percent vs -8.3 percent in November), restaurants and bars (-4.5 percent vs -3.6 percent), food & beverage stores (-1.4 percent vs 1.5 percent), general merchandise stores (-1.2 percent vs -1.3 percent), sporting goods, hobby, musical instrument & books stores (-0.8 percent vs -1.7 percent), and furniture stores (-0.6 percent vs -2.1 percent). In addition, online trade slumped 5.8 percent, accelerating from a 1.6 percent decrease in the previous month.

19) not for people making less than millions a year, our tax cuts were minimal, temporary, and unnoticeable. What’s the debt now? He cut revenue and increased spending....thanks to failing to deal with COVID, it’s likely he doubled the debt. What was the low estimate, >$6trillion in unplanned off the budget socialist handouts to fix his lack of a public pandemic plan. This year the debt is going to outpace gdp....the deficit was up by 35% BEFORE the Trump recession.
$300 billion didn't leave...that number was the total high estimate of businesses that said they were moving off shore because they didn't want to pay taxes or said they would move back...if you believe him...and it was only for one quarter, a one time gain at a cost of >$1.2 trillion per year In lost tax revenue. Great plan. It was a one time thing, and much of that business left anyway within the year. GM plant? Foxconn? Harley Davidson? How much of that claimed $300 Billion was based on promises that never materialized?

20) not most small businesses, only those making what was it, >$500000 a year? That’s not most “small businesses “....and that tax rate is temporary, phased out completely after 10 years, corporate tax rates and rates for billionaires is permanent.

You must ignore or fake all economic data from 2020 to make these claims, and even then they would be dishonest exaggeration based on baseless claims from a constant liar.

Not one point you made is honest...that’s why you can’t provide references or citations, you would be embarrassed to admit it all came straight from Don the con’s lying mouth and not organizations that professionally study these claims.

bobknight33 said:

@newtboy ...LEARN

(20 Dishonest claims)

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visionep says...

It's really hard to listen to this guy where he freely mixes in a few facts with a ton of bold face lies.

He works really hard to hit all of the Trump talking points with full on lies and misdirection.

As a populous we need to have a little dignity and stop listening to people that tell verifiable lies non-stop. If they can't keep from telling lies to make their point then their point isn't worth hearing.

The very few good points this guy makes are slathered in so much oily misinformation it is really painful to try and hear him out.

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